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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:43 am  
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To be honest I'm amazed I need to illustrate this point. It's like saying 60 games playing for Manchester City or Chelsea or Barcelona or Real Madrid is equivalent to 60 games playing for AFC Bournemouth or Levante. :roll:


Not quite, its more like 60 game Liverpool struggling for top 4 against 60 game Newcastle struggling in the bottom 4. I seem to remember Fages played a couple of games as the lone creative player when Salford suffered quite a few injuries and suspensions.
I can only assume Fages is currently being "de-coached" to suit our restrictive game plans.
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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:53 am  
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Not quite, its more like 60 game Liverpool struggling for top 4 against 60 game Newcastle struggling in the bottom 4. I seem to remember Fages played a couple of games as the lone creative player when Salford suffered quite a few injuries and suspensions.
I can only assume Fages is currently being "de-coached" to suit our restrictive game plans.


Isn't the most obvious explanation that he's just not impressing sufficiently in training?

From what I remember Fages was very raw showing glimpses of talent whilst making some pretty fundamental blunders - especially in defence. Given all the hullabaloo we've seen in this forum over the last twelve months about "defensively weak" Saints players I find it amazing that so many folk are on their knees pleading for Fages' inclusion. :lol:

He certainly wasn't consistent enough to hold down a first team position at Salford - which is hardly an encouraging sign. Given that consistency of performance is one of the hardest facets of a player's game to address (requiring significant mental readjustments which many players just aren't able or willing to sign on to) it shouldn't surprise anyone that Cunningham isn't in a rush.
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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:07 am  
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Isn't the most obvious explanation that he's just not impressing sufficiently in training?

From what I remember Fages was very raw showing glimpses of talent whilst making some pretty fundamental blunders - especially in defence. Given all the hullabaloo we've seen in this forum over the last twelve months about "defensively weak" Saints players I find it amazing that so many folk are on their knees pleading for Fages' inclusion. :lol:

He certainly wasn't consistent enough to hold down a first team position at Salford - which is hardly an encouraging sign. Given that consistency of performance is one of the hardest facets of a player's game to address (requiring significant mental readjustments which many players just aren't able or willing to sign on to) it shouldn't surprise anyone that Cunningham isn't in a rush.


KC praised the hell out of fages in pre season and said he's fitted in very well. Doesn't sound like someone who's not impressed in training.
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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:09 am  
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Isn't the most obvious explanation that he's just not impressing sufficiently in training?

From what I remember Fages was very raw showing glimpses of talent whilst making some pretty fundamental blunders - especially in defence. Given all the hullabaloo we've seen in this forum over the last twelve months about "defensively weak" Saints players I find it amazing that so many folk are on their knees pleading for Fages' inclusion. :lol:

He certainly wasn't consistent enough to hold down a first team position at Salford - which is hardly an encouraging sign. Given that consistency of performance is one of the hardest facets of a player's game to address (requiring significant mental readjustments which many players just aren't able or willing to sign on to) it shouldn't surprise anyone that Cunningham isn't in a rush.


Are the club paying you for this? All you've done for the past week is blindly defend them on about 6 different threads. It's cringeworthy.
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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:17 am  
Has Fages ever played fullback?
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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:53 am  
Unbelievable that anyone can defend having Theo sat in the stands, when Jon Wilkin is playing at stand-off and Travis Burns at hooker. If he isn't getting a look in now, when will he? It will be even tougher once Roby is back. All I heard from Cunningham following the Salford and Sydney game was him waxing lyrical over Morgan Knowles (sorry but I didn't see it) so I can only assume at the moment he is favoured above Theo.
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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:59 am  
The Yellow Giraffe wrote:
Are the club paying you for this? All you've done for the past week is blindly defend them on about 6 different threads. It's cringeworthy.


What's TRULY CRINGEWORTHY is your desperate need for the club to be doing something wrong so they can be blamed for the disappointment you are feeling after losing.

This kind of behaviour is a common among children who haven't yet learned that an emotional response to events isn't always productive.

Now, you can keep saying I'm blindly defending the club in all circumstances as much as you like. It doesn't make it any more true. If you were capable of keeping your emotions in check for long enough you'd know this.
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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:05 am  
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KC praised the hell out of fages in pre season and said he's fitted in very well. Doesn't sound like someone who's not impressed in training.


Keiron praised the hell out of the team after the defeat against Sydney. You didn't attach a great deal of significance to those statements, either.
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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:24 am  
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What's TRULY CRINGEWORTHY is your desperate need for the club to be doing something wrong so they can be blamed for the disappointment you are feeling after losing.

This kind of behaviour is a common among children who haven't yet learned that an emotional response to events isn't always productive.

Now, you can keep saying I'm blindly defending the club in all circumstances as much as you like. It doesn't make it any more true. If you were capable of keeping your emotions in check for long enough you'd know this.


My emotions are completely fine and stable, thank you. I am not desperate for the club to be doing wrong at all; that's absurd. I want the club to be doing things right.

There seems to be only you on here who is happy to defend the club at any given opportunity, yet you have the audacity to question my emotions. It is quite clear that the club is failing in terms of recruitment and performance. If you are happy with where we are heading then that's your prerogative. However you're coming across as nothing other than blinkered and naive.
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Re: Theo Fages : Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:28 am  
Mugwump wrote:
What's TRULY CRINGEWORTHY is your desperate need for the club to be doing something wrong so they can be blamed for the disappointment you are feeling after losing.

This kind of behaviour is a common among children who haven't yet learned that an emotional response to events isn't always productive.

Now, you can keep saying I'm blindly defending the club in all circumstances as much as you like. It doesn't make it any more true. If you were capable of keeping your emotions in check for long enough you'd know this.


As you know well, forums, like online shopping review sites, will always attract those on the ends of the spectrum, those who are particularly happy and those who are particularly unhappy. This period of frustration was probably inevitable, the move from Knowsley Road at a time when our legendary sides of Hanley, Millward and Anderson were coming to their natural end. What people didn't accept was this transition to mediocrity, mainly because of McManus's 'Comical Ali' style preaching every season about how amazing the squad was. His preaching about the commercial benefits of the stadium and the appointment of KC and him allowing KC to talk so much utter nonsense in the press over the off season has left us in this situation. It's incredibly poor PR from the club, they've consistently and deliberately set the bar so high that failure is inevitable from the first pre-season meetup. I kind of understand why he's done it, he's desperately trying to hold onto the season ticket holders that are flocking away from the club at the end of the 5 year deal and admitting the club would be delighted with a top 6 finish and amazed by a top 4 finish wouldn't do any good. But that's the position we are in, we are in a dog fight for the top 4, and possibly the 8 if we get any sort of injury crisis, or injuries to the remaining two key players (Roby and Walmsley).

The club is at a crucial point. From the last few years accounts, it doesn't seem like the stadium is producing the commercial returns they believed it would. We are not yet making a profit and this season is going to be horrendous, no finals last year and probably this and crowds falling by probably at least 1,500 on average this year. The club as a whole mirrors the on-field performance. We are not making a profit, we have this amazing asset yet we don't host any events at the ground? Why aren't there boxing matches, semi finals, concerts etc going on there? Why is Mike Rush, former junior coach the CEO? What business acumen does he have? Why is KC head coach in charge of developing players throughout the club? What coaching experience does he have? What are Sculthorpe and Martyn doing for the club and what are their capabilities that make them suitable for their roles? Wello? Gardner? It just gives the impression of an old boys club, a circle of friends having a riot behind the scenes and doing the bare minimum to pretend they are trying to be the successful business they claim to be.

For all he has done for the club McManus should be held in high regard. But for me it's time to re-focus and get the commercial wheel turning and reinvest in the playing staff and coaches over the next couple of years like Hull and Warrington have done, or leave. He always said he's go once he'd delivered the stadium, but that doesn't seem to be happening.
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