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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:35 am  
I wonder how much the club is actually worth now then, with it's new asset under its belt it must have gone up quite a bit. Someone somewhere must have to put a value on it all for tax and insurance purposes.
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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:57 am  
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I wonder how much the club is actually worth now then, with it's new asset under its belt it must have gone up quite a bit. Someone somewhere must have to put a value on it all for tax and insurance purposes.


Has the club been "split" into a holding company and St. Helens R.L.F.C.?
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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:03 pm  
and it's St. Helens RFC thank you very much
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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:16 pm  
saint at wire wrote:
Bell was issued with some extra 15,000 shares as recently as Dec 1st 2011 taking his shares upto 50,667 taking his share up to 15.2% of the total. Similarly Lyons took 10,000 more shares on the same date (now 8.3% of the total). The share capital is now 332,502 not the figure you state (sorry for being a pedant).
The extra shares were issues by way of conversion of their share of the £850,000 of total directors loans which were converted to shares; which makes their resignations all the more strange given that it all happened within two months of the close season.
Clearly something happened in those two months - the problem is that what happened is anything but clearly!

Obviously since resigning they may have sold the shares but in a closed company like this, it is not straight forward.

Sir Mac's (& family)stake is now down slightly to 23.7%. Coleman has 83,333 (25.0%) shares, so they control under 50% between them. However, Coleman has a large convertable loanstock which if fully converted would give him approx 39% of the total, which IMO is fair enough given the amount he has invested.


Well having looked back to the original announcement, Mike Coleman has since taken additional share meaning I've miscalculated his potential share of the club if (for if read when) he converts his shares.
If I'm right it will be 53% of the total so assuming he keeps his loan in as well it gives a current value of the club around £12M.
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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:06 am  
If this carries on next it will be featured on a Channel 4 Investigative Exposé Documentary! LOL!
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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:22 am  
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If this carries on next it will be featured on a Channel 4 Investigative Exposé Documentary! LOL!

why?

private share dealings are happening all the time in companies this size.

similarly with debentures, and debentures to shares.
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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:34 pm  
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why?

private share dealings are happening all the time in companies this size.

similarly with debentures, and debentures to shares.


LOL at the end? it was just humoir! the way the media as I know watch forums for any leads they may get, nothing more and nothing less!
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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:37 pm  
jaybs wrote:
LOL at the end? it was just humoir! the way the media as I know watch forums for any leads they may get, nothing more and nothing less!


Your posts come across as a fairly intelligent man, yet you persist in putting 'LOL' in a lot of your posts like a 14 year old boy. Purely out of curiosity, why is this? I'm not having a go at you for doing it by the way. :wink:
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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:53 pm  
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Your posts come across as a fairly intelligent man, yet you persist in putting 'LOL' in a lot of your posts like a 14 year old boy. Purely out of curiosity, why is this? I'm not having a go at you for doing it by the way. :wink:



Yeh you are.

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Re: Two Directors quit Saints : Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:56 pm  
bewareshadows wrote:
Yeh you are.


LOL


I genuinely wasn't. :lol:

Couldn't be bothered figuring out a politer way to phrase it in all honesty.
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