Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:23 am  

Weve room for only one more & are looking for a forward.

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:28 am  

Div wrote:

You say that we are not at the cap but you have absolutely no way of knowing that.

Its not a simple case of looking at the outs and ins.

Many of the younger players have had their contracts upgraded and that also needs to be factored in.

Alex W has been playing under an academy contract so he for one will have been given a big hike.

Unless you are on the senior club staff not sure how you could declare whether there is any wiggle room in the cap.

I wouldn't argue this point too hard if I were you ... Quantitive analysis is designed for basically this purpose... Made easier by the fact it's basically a zero sum game. Also kid upgrades only count if it takes them into the top 25 earners at the club...

Wheelers contract and cloughs contract = increases to Percival, Thompson and Richards contract who signed Midseason (plus change if there's a run over on any of the others)
Soliolas contract = Vea's contract + increase in Amors contract.
Laffranchis contract = Burns contract + increase Walmsleys contract
Manus contract = ???? (Hock?)

I'd have a basic guess at. We have room for another quality forward. Which we also know from what Brown said a few weeks ago...

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:37 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I wouldn't argue this point too hard if I were you ... Quantitive analysis is designed for basically this purpose... Made easier by the fact it's basically a zero sum game. Also kid upgrades only count if it takes them into the top 25 earners at the club...

Wheelers contract and cloughs contract = increases to Percival, Thompson and Richards contract who signed Midseason (plus change if there's a run over on any of the others)
Soliolas contract = Vea's contract + increase in Amors contract.
Laffranchis contract = Burns contract + increase Walmsleys contract
Manus contract = ???? (Hock?)

I'd have a basic guess at. We have room for another quality forward. Which we also know from what Brown said a few weeks ago...

So after all that you admit you are' guessing'!!

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:47 am  

Div wrote:

So after all that you admit you are' guessing'!!

guessing with maths - everyone knows guessing is totally reliable when numbers are involved! I don't know what pay structures Saints build their models on, so I can't definitively say that those will be the match ups, but they seem to work

Guessing or not, it is in line with what we've been told, which is the best indicator that were not done with Burns

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:03 pm  

Div wrote:

You say that we are not at the cap but you have absolutely no way of knowing that.

Its not a simple case of looking at the outs and ins.

Many of the younger players have had their contracts upgraded and that also needs to be factored in.

Alex W has been playing under an academy contract so he for one will have been given a big hike.

Unless you are on the senior club staff not sure how you could declare whether there is any wiggle room in the cap.

My comment wasn't based on looking at the outs and ins.

We aren't up to the cap and we have space for another signing. That isn't a guess.

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:04 pm  

Webbo Again wrote:

Jones? Or have I missed something....?

Oops. Forgot all about him!

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:25 pm  

Top Saint wrote:

Please enlighten me as to which remarks were 'Snide'. I merely think it is very hard for a player to perform to his best every week without help from his team mates. His drop off in form was probably when he realised he was the only player trying to win every week. It also could have something to do with knowing he was leaving.

At Saints he won't be expected to carry the team every week, he may be asked to carry that burden occasionally but most of the time he will be part of a structure ( one spoke on the wheel as it were).

Snide according to the dictionary is supercilious, sneering, expressive of contempt.
"In your team Cooper Cronk and Johnathon Thurston would look bang average."
Your statement fits the definition very well. Your comments on 18th September don't help your cause either. Why give me your idea of a dose of reality? I realise exactly where my team is. The fact remains the Burns has played a good half season out of two. His first season was average. His second consisted of two halves good and again average. I do not claim to know why he has performed like this. He may or may not perform consistently better for you only time will tell. We rescued his career and he repaid us by giving us half a season. Do you actually want a player like that, who chooses when to give of his best? All this of course assumes he is actually going to cross the Pennines.

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:52 pm  

Keiththered wrote:

Snide according to the dictionary is supercilious, sneering, expressive of contempt.
"In your team Cooper Cronk and Johnathon Thurston would look bang average."
Your statement fits the definition very well. Your comments on 18th September don't help your cause either. Why give me your idea of a dose of reality? I realise exactly where my team is. The fact remains the Burns has played a good half season out of two. His first season was average. His second consisted of two halves good and again average. I do not claim to know why he has performed like this. He may or may not perform consistently better for you only time will tell. We rescued his career and he repaid us by giving us half a season. Do you actually want a player like that, who chooses when to give of his best? All this of course assumes he is actually going to cross the Pennines.

You raise some good points. Serious question - how do you consider Burns compares with Blake Green?

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:30 pm  

Ade G back on the payroll too he won't be on buttons.

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:44 pm  

Div wrote:

Ade G back on the payroll too he won't be on buttons.

Was never off the payroll, in terms of cap at least:

the rfl wrote:

A3:5:1 If a player is loaned out or dual registered to another club, responsibility for payment of their salary and any appearance money they are entitled to shall remain with the club they are contracted to. Recovery of any costs should be made by invoicing the agreed values monthly to the recipient club. The recipient club should ensure that these invoices are paid in a timely manner.