Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:47 am  

St pete wrote:

What's the point in taking lockers if he's not going to play?

Mcbanana madness

part of me hopes we get smashed in the next 2 games so he gets the sack

Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:58 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

Mcbanana madness

part of me hopes we get smashed in the next 2 games so he gets the sack

Lockers needed time off to rest and recoup to get his body sorted. His body Is totally knackered and he's in danger of finishing his career early.

Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:00 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

Mcbanana madness

part of me hopes we get smashed in the next 2 games so he gets the sack

McBanana did the same thing with Widdop in the last comp. Don.t think Joel Tomkins should be playing against OZ not quite good enough in my opinion at this level, prefer to give Westerman another chance though.

Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:22 am  

Judder Man wrote:

McBanana did the same thing with Widdop in the last comp. Don.t think Joel Tomkins should be playing against OZ not quite good enough in my opinion at this level, prefer to give Westerman another chance though.

I don't think our Backrow was good enough against Samoa. I don't think Joel Tomkins Should have even gone but to be fair the isn't much other options. Is 100% play whitehead before him Saturday.

I'm not sure Farrell is big enough at international level. He's a awesome super league player and always a threat with the ball for Wigan but I don't think he's international class player.

Westerman was massively massively out of his depth against Samoa and I'm 100% convinced he will be for the next two games if selected.

Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:37 am  

If Australia name the same pack of forwards as on Saturday then they are there for the taking. I suspect Sheens may put Klemmer in the side, which would give them a bit more size and make them tougher to run over, but even then I think we'd still have a clear advantage up front.

That won't mean anything, though, if our ball control is anything like it was at the weekend; we'll need to go set-for-set with them if we want to take advantage of our superior size. If we turn over a lot of ball then that size will become a weakness. The game being in Melbourne should help - it probably won't be anything like as hot as it was at Lang Park.

Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:09 am  

Dux wrote:

If Australia name the same pack of forwards as on Saturday then they are there for the taking. I suspect Sheens may put Klemmer in the side, which would give them a bit more size and make them tougher to run over, but even then I think we'd still have a clear advantage up front.

That won't mean anything, though, if our ball control is anything like it was at the weekend; we'll need to go set-for-set with them if we want to take advantage of our superior size. If we turn over a lot of ball then that size will become a weakness. The game being in Melbourne should help - it probably won't be anything like as hot as it was at Lang Park.

I don't think our pack is as good as we think.

Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:40 am  

St pete wrote:

I don't think our pack is as good as we think.

It's a tremendous front row, but the back row isn't as good as it has been over recent years. O'Loughlin would make a big difference (apparently the option is still there to slot him into the team later in the week if he recovers).

Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:13 pm  

They are missing Wilkin in that back row

Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:45 pm  

Dux wrote:

It's a tremendous front row, but the back row isn't as good as it has been over recent years. O'Loughlin would make a big difference (apparently the option is still there to slot him into the team later in the week if he recovers).

The burgess bros and graham are top class and proven at the top level. The rest ain't so good tbh.

Re: England : Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:21 pm  

Id certainly have Whitehead in the back row above Tomkins. Farrell certainly lacks the size for international level rugby IMO but does run good lines so Id take him as the second option.