Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:42 am  

I know it's not been up to standard, but we are 3 games into the season and we have won more than we have lost.
Lets not go OTT.

LMS was getting praise off fans last year for his efforts, the possibility of Savelio going to Warrington had saddened and other fans beside themselves in indignation, swift was a possible for being shown the door, Burns was great in his first 7 games and was going to be even better when Walsh came back. Wilkin was a saviour carrying the club when we had no halves etc etc.

You can't buy and sell players week to week like some fans would want (ps fans also at the same time want commitment and loyalty from these very same players)

Now LMS is a waste of contract, Savelio was over hyped (by whom??), Swift is the new Tommy Makinson and can do no wrong where as Tommy is maybe not what we need.

I'm all for wanting better quality and better results, if someone has had a dire game (ie Walsh v Salford) then yes we want to give them grief, but the way we react you would think we are playing this as a computer game where if it's not going well you can simply restart all over again.

Players have bad games and some times a run of bad games and deserve to be dropped, but the league is not won or lost in the opening 3 games.

As fans we seem to be very negative about the team, plenty of posts pre-match and post match if there is criticism to be given. But if there has been a win, like against Huddersfield the boards and threads go very quiet, both here and on Redvee.

Are Saints fans on these boards the new prawn sandwich brigade? I think it was mentioned elsewhere that we are living in the past, constantly harping back to some glory years. But even in those years we got turned over by the likes of Hull and Salford. People just forget the bad losses.

Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:08 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I know it's not been up to standard, but we are 3 games into the season and we have won more than we have lost.
Lets not go OTT.

LMS was getting praise off fans last year for his efforts, the possibility of Savelio going to Warrington had saddened and other fans beside themselves in indignation, swift was a possible for being shown the door, Burns was great in his first 7 games and was going to be even better when Walsh came back. Wilkin was a saviour carrying the club when we had no halves etc etc.

You can't buy and sell players week to week like some fans would want (ps fans also at the same time want commitment and loyalty from these very same players)

Now LMS is a waste of contract, Savelio was over hyped (by whom??), Swift is the new Tommy Makinson and can do no wrong where as Tommy is maybe not what we need.

I'm all for wanting better quality and better results, if someone has had a dire game (ie Walsh v Salford) then yes we want to give them grief, but the way we react you would think we are playing this as a computer game where if it's not going well you can simply restart all over again.

Players have bad games and some times a run of bad games and deserve to be dropped, but the league is not won or lost in the opening 3 games.

As fans we seem to be very negative about the team, plenty of posts pre-match and post match if there is criticism to be given. But if there has been a win, like against Huddersfield the boards and threads go very quiet, both here and on Redvee.

Are Saints fans on these boards the new prawn sandwich brigade? I think it was mentioned elsewhere that we are living in the past, constantly harping back to some glory years. But even in those years we got turned over by the likes of Hull and Salford. People just forget the bad losses.

We was boring as hell last year to don't forget. You can get away with be boring if you want trophies like Hanley did but if you play boring one up rugby and don't win, then your in trouble.

Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:12 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I know it's not been up to standard, but we are 3 games into the season and we have won more than we have lost.
Lets not go OTT.

LMS was getting praise off fans last year for his efforts, the possibility of Savelio going to Warrington had saddened and other fans beside themselves in indignation, swift was a possible for being shown the door, Burns was great in his first 7 games and was going to be even better when Walsh came back. Wilkin was a saviour carrying the club when we had no halves etc etc.

You can't buy and sell players week to week like some fans would want (ps fans also at the same time want commitment and loyalty from these very same players)

Now LMS is a waste of contract, Savelio was over hyped (by whom??), Swift is the new Tommy Makinson and can do no wrong where as Tommy is maybe not what we need.

I'm all for wanting better quality and better results, if someone has had a dire game (ie Walsh v Salford) then yes we want to give them grief, but the way we react you would think we are playing this as a computer game where if it's not going well you can simply restart all over again.

Players have bad games and some times a run of bad games and deserve to be dropped, but the league is not won or lost in the opening 3 games.

As fans we seem to be very negative about the team, plenty of posts pre-match and post match if there is criticism to be given. But if there has been a win, like against Huddersfield the boards and threads go very quiet, both here and on Redvee.

Are Saints fans on these boards the new prawn sandwich brigade? I think it was mentioned elsewhere that we are living in the past, constantly harping back to some glory years. But even in those years we got turned over by the likes of Hull and Salford. People just forget the bad losses.

Seeing as you picked up on my LMS comment, I've been consistent with my opinion on him. That has changed because of one or two games; I've never really rated him and I think he's a liability.

Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:33 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Seeing as you picked up on my LMS comment, I've been consistent with my opinion on him. That has changed because of one or two games; I've never really rated him and I think he's a liability.

To be honest I think LMS was pretty good for most of all last season despite having to play in loads of different positions, thought he had a reasonable effort against the Roosters this season. Obviously discipline is his biggest liability, I think this is also down to the coach we were the second worse team for giving penalties away last season and I'm not seeing much improvement this season either, same old offenders and LMS again being one of them, the coaching need to sort it out.

Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:49 pm  

St pete wrote:

No doubt about, we are the worst team in super league to watch. It's so boring it's unreal and his excuse of the salary cap causing this is a joke. Hull, cas, Salford, Hull KR all supposed to be lower teams to us yet they play good rugby.

I just don't think KC has the experience or rugby brain to have us play free flowing rugby. Tbe only move we do is a drop off pass and that's dire for a pro club.

What does not having a rugby brain mean in this context? On the face of it, it's an odd description of a man who's made a living at the top end of RL in this country for more than two decades.

Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:53 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I know it's not been up to standard, but we are 3 games into the season and we have won more than we have lost.
Lets not go OTT.

LMS was getting praise off fans last year for his efforts, the possibility of Savelio going to Warrington had saddened and other fans beside themselves in indignation, swift was a possible for being shown the door, Burns was great in his first 7 games and was going to be even better when Walsh came back. Wilkin was a saviour carrying the club when we had no halves etc etc.

You can't buy and sell players week to week like some fans would want (ps fans also at the same time want commitment and loyalty from these very same players)

Now LMS is a waste of contract, Savelio was over hyped (by whom??), Swift is the new Tommy Makinson and can do no wrong where as Tommy is maybe not what we need.

I'm all for wanting better quality and better results, if someone has had a dire game (ie Walsh v Salford) then yes we want to give them grief, but the way we react you would think we are playing this as a computer game where if it's not going well you can simply restart all over again.

Players have bad games and some times a run of bad games and deserve to be dropped, but the league is not won or lost in the opening 3 games.

As fans we seem to be very negative about the team, plenty of posts pre-match and post match if there is criticism to be given. But if there has been a win, like against Huddersfield the boards and threads go very quiet, both here and on Redvee.

Are Saints fans on these boards the new prawn sandwich brigade? I think it was mentioned elsewhere that we are living in the past, constantly harping back to some glory years. But even in those years we got turned over by the likes of Hull and Salford. People just forget the bad losses.

One of the criticisms of our performance v KR was that some of our tries came from kicks. Why is that? Do we now revise our opinion of our win against Bradford in the cup final in 1996? That win, I seem to recall, was based on Goulding's kicking.

KC might or might not make it as a coach who delivers trophies, and he might, or might not, deliver 'entertaining' rugby (whatever that means), but some of the accusations against him are baffling.

Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:59 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Seeing as you picked up on my LMS comment, I've been consistent with my opinion on him. That has changed because of one or two games; I've never really rated him and I think he's a liability.

I picked up on a few different comments from across a variety of boards, it was not aimed at having a go at anyone specifically.
My point is more around the venom which we seem to be laying into the team gets earlier and earlier each year.
Only 2 years ago we were champions
last year we came close in 2 semi's and probably would have made the final if it was not for one player in sinfield.

The other point is we seem keen to be harsh on the team but after a good win against Huddersfield who people were tipping to beat us before a ball was kicked, there is a smattering of praise before the doom and gloom sets in about the next match.

It's a forlorn hope and I'm as guilty as anyone, but I just wish we could be a bit more positive as a set of fans.

Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:51 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I know it's not been up to standard, but we are 3 games into the season and we have won more than we have lost.
Lets not go OTT.

LMS was getting praise off fans last year for his efforts, the possibility of Savelio going to Warrington had saddened and other fans beside themselves in indignation, swift was a possible for being shown the door, Burns was great in his first 7 games and was going to be even better when Walsh came back. Wilkin was a saviour carrying the club when we had no halves etc etc.

You can't buy and sell players week to week like some fans would want (ps fans also at the same time want commitment and loyalty from these very same players)

Now LMS is a waste of contract, Savelio was over hyped (by whom??), Swift is the new Tommy Makinson and can do no wrong where as Tommy is maybe not what we need.

I'm all for wanting better quality and better results, if someone has had a dire game (ie Walsh v Salford) then yes we want to give them grief, but the way we react you would think we are playing this as a computer game where if it's not going well you can simply restart all over again.

Players have bad games and some times a run of bad games and deserve to be dropped, but the league is not won or lost in the opening 3 games.

As fans we seem to be very negative about the team, plenty of posts pre-match and post match if there is criticism to be given. But if there has been a win, like against Huddersfield the boards and threads go very quiet, both here and on Redvee.

Are Saints fans on these boards the new prawn sandwich brigade? I think it was mentioned elsewhere that we are living in the past, constantly harping back to some glory years. But even in those years we got turned over by the likes of Hull and Salford. People just forget the bad losses.

We was boring as hell last year to don't forget. You can get away with be boring if you want trophies like Hanley did but if you play boring one up rugby and don't win, then your in trouble.

Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:55 pm  

Simeon Stylites wrote:

What does not having a rugby brain mean in this context? On the face of it, it's an odd description of a man who's made a living at the top end of RL in this country for more than two decades.

OK. His tactics are same every week, we play one up boring rugby no matter who we play . We have no set plays, we have no structure and lack ideas which comes down to coaching.

Doing it in the pitch following Instructions from very clever coaches like Anderson and Millward like KC did is much harder to put these plays and structure in place as the coach has to.

Re: Sack the Coach : Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:02 pm  

St pete wrote:

OK. His tactics are same every week, we play one up boring rugby no matter who we play . We have no set plays, we have no structure and lack ideas which comes down to coaching.

Doing it in the pitch following Instructions from very clever coaches like Anderson and Millward like KC did is much harder to put these plays and structure in place as the coach has to.

Thank you; that's much clearer.