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Re: THEM : Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:21 pm  
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Happy to admit I could be wrong on Powell, I obviously see him far less than Wigan fans. Just whenever I've seen him his distribution has been pretty sharp and he hasn't really made many errors in that department.


It's pretty sluggish in comparison to MM. I like Powell and think next year will be his real breakthrough but in the six position. He's a decent back up option at hooker but no more.

I'd actually be tempted to leave Powell out on Saturday and go with an extra forward but MM's injury may have put paid to that.
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Re: THEM : Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:45 pm  
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Wonder if we can go through alphabet why other plans dislike Wigan.

No 1 Saint has started it with A = Arrogance, I will go with B = Bullys

I will help you along C= Champions , D= Double winners, E=Envy and F = Five times in a row
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Re: THEM : Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:19 am  
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I will help you along C= Champions , D= Double winners, E=Envy and F = Five times in a row



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Re: THEM : Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:34 am  
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I will help you along C= Champions , D= Double winners, E=Envy and F = Five times in a row


Don't think you can have C + D, this has already been allocated C = CANNONBALL D= DIRTY PLAY
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Re: THEM : Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:42 am  
If "Mickey Mac" has got a broken face it won't be too hard to get under his skin, niggle him and get him to do something stupid and concede a few penalties.

Get in his face, so to speak, and wind him up.
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Re: THEM : Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:03 am  
We would be stupid not to play on it. Lean on it when he's on the floor, "accidentally" stick a had in there in scrums, whatever it takes.

Wigan have proved time and time again that they simply don't care about player welfare when it comes to their opposition, why should we be any different on Saturday?
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Re: THEM : Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:10 am  
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We would be stupid not to play on it. Lean on it when he's on the floor, "accidentally" stick a had in there in scrums, whatever it takes.

Wigan have proved time and time again that they simply don't care about player welfare when it comes to their opposition, why should we be any different on Saturday?

What I don't understand is that if McIlorum is such a limited player then why the need to even bother?

FWIW I think Roby is twice the player. I posted on here after Good Friday that you were all over reacting to the defeat and that Saints would have a good season. I was right. Brown has proved to be a good coach and has got the best out of the resources available, surely the test of any coach. Wane does the same.

It promises to be a cracker on Saturday, and I can't wait. I'm confident about Wigan's chances but no way am I underestimating Saints.
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Re: THEM : Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:45 am  
It's not about MM being a limited player it's about his ability to lose it.

If MM was the same player, but say Charnley had the ability to lose it, then no one would be suggesting annoying MM. It's not the player we are interested in winding up, it's the penalty and possible sending off or sin binning that we are interested in as any team down to 12 men or constantly being marched up the pitch is going to struggle more.

Personally I just don't think we have the brains to niggle it out of him. A lad going toe to toe will end up getting sent off. Someone like LMS will just get penalized for ball stealing. To niggle a player into being unprofessional, you don't need a bruiser, you need brains. And that's the one thing we lack on the pitch, someone who will go out there, find a psychological weakness and take a punch for his efforts without retaliating in the hope of taking them down a man.

Was it Murphy who did it in the CC years ago.

You have to be tough as you are going to get lamped, but I don't think we have it in our armoury. Should Wigan fall behind then that is more likely to push MM to push his limits far more than any gameplay we could muster up ourselves.

Point being it's not about MM it's about a player with a track record for being a liability to the team when he goes to far. If he can keep it in check then all the niggling in the world will do nothing. I certainly would not advocate sacrificing a player to go and lamp him to take him out of the game as that would weaken ourselves more than Wigan, given his limited effect. ;)

If we had a clever player it maybe a ploy worth doing, but as we don't just play to our strengths which at the moment is tackling.

Cut the penalties and dropped ball and Wigan will have to put on some attacking flair to break us down outwide.
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Re: THEM : Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:02 pm  
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It's not about MM being a limited player it's about his ability to lose it.

If MM was the same player, but say Charnley had the ability to lose it, then no one would be suggesting annoying MM. It's not the player we are interested in winding up, it's the penalty and possible sending off or sin binning that we are interested in as any team down to 12 men or constantly being marched up the pitch is going to struggle more.

Personally I just don't think we have the brains to niggle it out of him. A lad going toe to toe will end up getting sent off. Someone like LMS will just get penalized for ball stealing. To niggle a player into being unprofessional, you don't need a bruiser, you need brains. And that's the one thing we lack on the pitch, someone who will go out there, find a psychological weakness and take a punch for his efforts without retaliating in the hope of taking them down a man.

Was it Murphy who did it in the CC years ago.

You have to be tough as you are going to get lamped, but I don't think we have it in our armoury. Should Wigan fall behind then that is more likely to push MM to push his limits far more than any gameplay we could muster up ourselves.

Point being it's not about MM it's about a player with a track record for being a liability to the team when he goes to far. If he can keep it in check then all the niggling in the world will do nothing. I certainly would not advocate sacrificing a player to go and lamp him to take him out of the game as that would weaken ourselves more than Wigan, given his limited effect. ;)

If we had a clever player it maybe a ploy worth doing, but as we don't just play to our strengths which at the moment is tackling.

Cut the penalties and dropped ball and Wigan will have to put on some attacking flair to break us down outwide.

That all seems reasonable and well argued. There is no evidence that you could get him sent off though. The last time he got sent off was a full two years ago in the last regular game in 2012 which cost us big time as he missed the playoffs. He's not seen red since.

I would have thought that your game plan is simple. Play like you did in the game at DW. Masoe LMS and Soliola did plenty of late/cheap shots (not a complaint - just an observation) as I recall, so Saints have proved they can mix it. Man for man your pack is much bigger that ours. Just play like it and you can win.

You need to stop Wigan getting it wide though, our wingers are far superior (that not saying Makinson and Swift aren't good players by the way)
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Re: THEM : Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:07 pm  
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That all seems reasonable and well argued. There is no evidence that you could get him sent off though. The last time he got sent off was a full two years ago in the last regular game in 2012 which cost us big time as he missed the playoffs. He's not seen red since.

I would have thought that your game plan is simple. Play like you did in the game at DW. Masoe LMS and Soliola did plenty of late/cheap shots (not a complaint - just an observation) as I recall, so Saints have proved they can mix it. Man for man your pack is much bigger that ours. Just play like it and you can win.

You need to stop Wigan getting it wide though, our wingers are far superior (that not saying Makinson and Swift aren't good players by the way)


Charnley will have a field day against Swift if he's left exposed but I disagree that Burgess is far superior than Makinson. Makinson is a much more complete winger and will deal with Burgess capably IMO. Many thought Carney would roll over Makinson a few weeks back but he got smashed every time he carried it, many underestimate just how good Tommy's defence is, it's excellent. Swift on the over hand has a lot of work to do in defence, as I said, Charnley could see plenty success down that channel.

I'm hoping for rain as I think that gives us our best chance, keeping it tight to the ruck.
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