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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 5:05 pm  
Match reaction? So far a load of loving whinging.
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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 5:08 pm  
Th'ump wrote:
Well said.

McManus has made mistakes - only a fool would deny that - but I also think some people on here are talking nonsense and making out things that simply aren't true.

The fact is, every season we've spent up to near the cap. We've never gone for the "cheap option". Bringing players through the youth system is part of the game. When McManus was talking about focusing on youth development instead of automatically bringing in established players, he was doing so against the backdrop of one of the strongest & most promising groups of young players to have come through the youth ranks in years. Players like Roby, Eastmond, Lomax, Foster, Wheeler, Gaskell, Dixon, Makinson, Emmitt, etc. There'd been significant investment in bringing that group together at Saints.

The general feeling amongst fans at the time was that this was the right route for the club. I mean, why invest in a strong youth programme if you're then just going to bring in older journeymen from other clubs, whilst the young players leave and potentially carve themselves top careers for our rivals?

As it turns out, most of these players haven't turned out to be the answer, for whatever reason (either moving on - Eastmond - or not developing to their earlier potential)

Yet the club hasn't stopped recruiting during all this. In the last four years, we've brought in:

Soliola
LMS
Perry
Laffranchi
Hohaia
Turner
Manu
Flanagan

Some have been good buys, others haven't lived up to the reputations and past performances that led us to sign them (through no fault of McManus). But all are on a decent wage. Hardly 'going for the cheap option'.

As I've said before, we've had rank bad luck with some signings, whilst other plans have had to be completely rethought (eg the "future England halfback combination" of Lomax & Gaskell).

We are now at a stage where we need to rebuild. We need to find a way to jettison the underperforming players and use their salaries on better recruits (although, who's to say these wouldn't also be flops, contrary to past performances...)

WOW a balanced honest post :D

This is the first time Saints have hit a real crisis in playing staff since at least 1998 (when we stank in McRae's last season) and I think we should wait to see how the club responds before becoming hysterical. If players like Perry, Frank, Hohaia & Wellens are still at the club next season, then I'll join in the calls for wholesale change at the top. Similarly, if the Walsh signing doesn't come off (or we don't sign another experienced half) and replace Perry & Frank with proven front row enforcers, then I will again agree with those demanding McManus goes.

But let's give those in charge at the club a chance to put right mistakes that we only see with the benefit of hindsight.
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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 6:26 pm  
Chris Dalton wrote:
Match reaction? So far a load of loving whinging.



Is there a reason you posted or did you just fancy a troll?

We are entitled to whinge and whine when we pay money and watch rubbish.
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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 9:05 pm  
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Match reaction? So far a load of loving whinging.


Whinging in reaction to the match though....

I'd give Widnes a bit of credit...but you shipped 28 points and nearly messed up against a side that had little clue.
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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 9:25 pm  
Saddened! wrote:
Why don't you list some injured under 12s as well, just to give yourself more comfort? :wink: Of those Roby, Lomax, Wilkin and Soliola are meaningful absences. The rest are none events. Would Wigan or Leeds lose to Widnes if they had four out?


Wigan have lost to Widnes with Tomkins missing ;)
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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 9:31 pm  
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Whinging in reaction to the match though....

I'd give Widnes a bit of credit...but you shipped 28 points and nearly messed up against a side that had little clue.


I don't need your credit. I'll take the two points instead.
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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 9:36 pm  
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I don't need your credit. I'll take the two points instead.


I suppose you take what you can get when your Widnes. I hear the lower divisions are missing you
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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 9:38 pm  
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I suppose you take what you can get when your Widnes. I hear the lower divisions are missing you


They're going to just love you though.
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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 9:42 pm  
Chris Dalton wrote:
They're going to just love you though.




Did you go to the match last night or did you play safe and stay at home.
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Re: Match Reaction : Sat May 04, 2013 9:43 pm  
Chris Dalton wrote:
They're going to just love you though.


Unlikely, we'll not be anywhere near bad enough to get relegated (if it existed) and in a business sense the St Helens club is in a very good place at the minute and has a strong franchise value.

Widnes? Not so much. I genuinely do hope you find a new chairman because you've been gradually getting better in SL and it would be a shame to see that go to waste.

Don't get too big for your boots though, you're still a spec in the distance in terms of a worry for Saints at the minute and a small club in franchise terms.
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