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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:51 pm  
Walmsley head and shoulders your best player, you'd better hope he has a mare next week because if the NRL come sniffing and he decides to give it a go you're in deep trouble.
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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:54 pm  
I love this from KC:

"It was a horrible start to the game, completely and utterly a mentality thing. We just didn't approach the game with the right mindset.

"You can smell an air of complacency about the place just before the game. I spoke to my staff about it, I was a little bit worried about it but, once they're ready to cross the line, it's a little late
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If he thinks its just a mental attitude he has a problem with his own attitude to coaching. Exactly what is his job? He could smell complacency - so I ask again what the f is his job if not at least part motivation ESPECIALLY as he knew it was there.
Read it and weep.
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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:00 am  
With a wedding this year to pay for and having already bought my roosters tickets thats me done for this year. If a coach can admit his time have got the wrong attitude (which he said a number of times last year) then as a fan ive not got the right attitude to keep wasting money.

That tonight was a disgrace and im not having it. Players in wrong positions, no heart, crap coaching team and the poorest captain we have ever had. Captain fantastic jon wilkin in the second row had 0 hit ups tonight. That is a disgrace. But he is one of the old boys club so he'll recieve another 3 year deal. Only walmsley can take anything from that game.
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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:03 am  
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With a wedding this year to pay for and having already bought my roosters tickets thats me done for this year. If a coach can admit his time have got the wrong attitude (which he said a number of times last year) then as a fan ive not got the right attitude to keep wasting money.

That tonight was a disgrace and im not having it. Players in wrong positions, no heart, crap coaching team and the poorest captain we have ever had. Captain fantastic jon wilkin in the second row had 0 hit ups tonight. That is a disgrace. But he is one of the old boys club so he'll recieve another 3 year deal. Only walmsley can take anything from that game.


Was there something wrong with Wilkin tonight? I'm usually a fan of his and it's hard to fault his commitment. But tonight I'd say he was directly responsible for about four clean breaks, simply by not reacting and not making any effort to make a tackle. Can someone tell me who the player is that ignores Carney when he makes the break from the kick on their line? One of our players just wasn't interested and I couldn't make out who it was.
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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:11 am  
Well here we are again, a new season, more complaints.... It's what we do as fans :) Massively regret waking up at 4am for that utter rubbish.

So it seems nothing has changed from last season?

Outrageous coaching, outrageous team selection and just out-right outrageous pathetic performances from certain players!

I know it’s been mentioned but Turner in the halves, when you have Fages on the bench and Burns fit is just stupid. But the worst of all, Turner playing in the halves means LMS in the centres?! I mean LMS wouldn’t even get in my team let alone a place out of position. He poses no threat in the centres and is quite frankly awful…I’d say marginally better in the forwards too. I’d rather not talk about him much more as it frustrates me. A Wakefield player at best.

Fages comes on in the second half and we move Turner back to centre and LMS to SR or LF, this makes no sense at all? Disrupting the team at the pivotal players is asking for disaster.

One thing that annoyed me was Lui’s first try. Thompson, f**king Thompson, a prop forward, defending in the back line from a scrum! Against any half back, or even a back with a bit of pace, must be a dream for them. That's too easy for a fast player vs a forward. Yes Wilkin made poor read but that’s just a simple one on one….a back would obviously get there and make the tackle. This is down to the coaching, why is he there? Wilkin and Thompson should be in the scrum? People will argue they are the better defenders, and yes maybe….when in the middle of the park and you have your defenders close to you. From a scrum, just no…. Christ, I’d fancy myself one on one with Thompson. Shocking, shocking coaching.

Jack Owens, as people have said, not up to Saints standard. Is that 3 games on the bounce he’s dropped a high ball and we’ve conceded a try? Offers nothing in attack, poor organization and as the last line of defense we have no hope. People saying he’s a winger…. So swap him with Makinson or even Swift? Very poor.

Lama Tasi….I mean come on….need I say more, pansy.

Vea was disappointing too. What’s up with Greenwood?

Ok the final point, and one which drives me absolutely crazy, literally to boiling point……is our kick offs! It is the same kick off every time!?! I understand maybe the first 2 are the same, long and deep to the ideal side of our best defenders, no problem. Concede again, same kick off….NO, just NO! If you go 2 tries down, for me you try a short kick off (if I was coaching I would do a short one at every opportunity), at least you try a different side, or maybe a hard drill along the floor, or to the oppositions weaker catches. One thing you don’t do is kick it to their BEST ball player, so he can then pass it to their BEST forward, to drive it right back at us. For me, these are little plays that can change games, you win the ball back after conceding a try and you’re in their half attacking right back at them! This will be down to the coaching but also the players, it doesn’t need to coach to say do a short kick off, its common sense when the chips are down and you need the loving ball, you do it, or do something different! Then, last night…. to my absolute astonishment, we did a short kick off! YES! FINALLY! :BOW: :BOW: :BOW: :CLAP: :CLAP:
….79 mins, 44-10 points down. Is that a f*ckin joke, IS THAT A F**KING JOKE?! P*ss off Saints, P*SS RIGHT OFF!

Shocking performance. Nothing positive to come out of it whatsoever. The game VS Roosters on Friday will be worse than last years World Club Challenge. If it’s not, I’ll be absolutely amazed….

One things for sure – thank god Pearce f*cked that dog!!! :thumb:
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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:14 am  
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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:05 am  
Don't get me wrong, last night was absolutely awful.

But I'm not going to go OTT. It is not an indicator of the long term prospects for this team. You can have great sides that get a good tonking from and unexpected position. I'm more than happy to rip into the team for pretty much everything they did last night, but I'm not writing off the season after one game. Just as we should not pick the team based on one performance ie Huddersfield.


Having said all that some people really stank the place out last night. Walsh can't play in a side that is not on top, he just has no ability to take a game by the scruff of the neck and make a difference. When we are on top, he looks class. When we are on the back foot at best he looks ineffective, at worst he looks afraid. Seeing him run away from tackles would be funny if he was playing for someone else.
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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:58 am  
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Was there something wrong with Wilkin tonight? I'm usually a fan of his and it's hard to fault his commitment. But tonight I'd say he was directly responsible for about four clean breaks, simply by not reacting and not making any effort to make a tackle. Can someone tell me who the player is that ignores Carney when he makes the break from the kick on their line? One of our players just wasn't interested and I couldn't make out who it was.


Jon Wilkin can't play backrow anymore. He's always been to small but his two years on the halves have made it impossible for him to move back to the pack.

Imo if he's not playing in halves or as ball playing loose then he shouldn't play.

I've never seen a team with so many poor one on one tacklers. I've said it all last year how poor our one on ones are. Wilkin, Vea, Greenwood, Turner, Richards, Walsh to name are few can't tackle one on one.
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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:49 am  
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I've never seen a team with so many poor one on one tacklers. I've said it all last year how poor our one on ones are. Wilkin, Vea, Greenwood, Turner, Richards, Walsh to name are few can't tackle one on one.[/quote]

Longy was just like that as well, its ironic that Longy is our defensive coach (for some unknown reason). Our coaching set up looks really fragmented, also do we have a "mental coach", two games in and our lazy attitude has re-surfaced, what are we doing prior to kick off having a cup of tea and a cream scone.
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Re: 19 man Squad v Salford : Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:51 am  
KC coming out and saying he knew they were complacent is such an odd thing for a coach to say. Surely all it would take to eradicate that would be some strong words from KC himself? You know, do his job basically.

When they came out after the HT break I was fully expecting Saints to wake up and start playing but it didn't happen. You can't possibly put that down to complacency. The first 15 minutes fine, but after you've got them in the dressing rooms at HT and given them some harsh words, that should all be gone. And yet it wasn't.
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