Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:01 pm  

We didn't deserve a thing from that. Burns's pass was 5m forward and Wilkin's was pretty debatable too.

Where do you start tonight? You start by saying Hull KR are shocking. Defensively woeful, their wingers and fullback can't deal with any bombs and their back row and centres could tackle a bowl of Weetabix. They didn't even have a pack on the field tonight, Green was about their only forward and he spent the game charging round committing fouls.

The backs tonight were shocking. I've never seen a half back showing as bad in years, and that's saying something given how we've set for half backs. Neither of them did anything good tonight and they gave that game away with some incredibly naive, stupid, lazy ball play. Saints got the ball into their 10 repeatedly and didn't threaten the line once in that position. It was just a lazy, scripted swing one way or the other with a lazy pass to the first player. Burns's defending is also a massive concern, he can smash second rowers but he drops off other players and just doesn't read anything properly. He's cost us several tries already this season. Swift shouldn't be playing for us for a long time, not until he's proven he can play in the youth team for an extended period. Turner/Jones/Dawson did nothing wrong, but nothing right either.

The pack didn't do enough either. They had a clear advantage and didn't capitalise on it. WTF was Cunningham playing at with his use of Mose? With his size against that pack from Hull KR, he should have been doing 60 minutes, not 8 in the first and 8 in the second. Every time he got the ball in the second half he got 15 metres plus, why not have him crashing onto the ball near their line? We were always going to lose our unbeaten record, I had thought it may be next week however. Tonight was unacceptable, the kind of performance that can ruin a side's confidence. If we'd gone in tonight and played it all through the middle and been more professional and clinical near their line early on and we'd have walked it tonight by 20 plus.

Re: Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:07 pm  

Having said all that though, HKR should have been down to 12 men for most of the game.

However, we were pants, and the coach has to take as much responsibility for that as the players. Hopefully they will see how shocking they all were and will get their act together for next week. We may have no halfbacks, a makeshift hooker and a makeshift fullback but we know how to play Wigan now and so we need to get back our attitude and win on Good Friday. Nothing else will do.

Re: Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:08 pm  

We was awful and apart from the Warrington game we have been awful in the majority of the games for long spells.

You cant criticise our forwards as you said we was constantly in the Hull Kr 20. Our backs are unfortunately one of the poorest in the league. Dawson, Swift, Wilkin, Hohiah and Burns would not get in that Hull Kr team playing in the backs. Not one of them.

Keirons tactics of using the forwards constantly is also shockingly bad. As soon as the game was gone we decided to seperate Burns and Wilkin and shift the ball and we created constant overlaps. This for me is coaching and following a plan.

Re: Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:15 pm  

Your right saddened we ain't won a game all year,no scrub that all our previous years in super league against a side who played well ,we just wait until someone has an offday ,luckily for us saints have one at our ground every year,and you played rats against us twice at your ground if memory serves

Re: Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:16 pm  

LFC Saint wrote:

We was awful and apart from the Warrington game we have been awful in the majority of the games for long spells.

You cant criticise our forwards as you said we was constantly in the Hull Kr 20. Our backs are unfortunately one of the poorest in the league. Dawson, Swift, Wilkin, Hohiah and Burns would not get in that Hull Kr team playing in the backs. Not one of them.

Keirons tactics of using the forwards constantly is also shockingly bad. As soon as the game was gone we decided to seperate Burns and Wilkin and shift the ball and we created constant overlaps. This for me is coaching and following a plan.

I've been saying all year that we haven't played well. We had loads of luck this year with teams bombing chances against us. Only salford and Warrington game we have looked decent.

Our defence been poor all year. To many players missing to many tackles week in and week out. It's the same old faces as well missing 4 tackles each week.

Our attack is also hit and miss. If Burns has a off night like tonight we in deep s*it. We have no strike plsyers in the back line at all. All the backs rely on a pass to make a break, none can actually make something out of nothing.

Re: Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:16 pm  

We have no match winners. We have no Kallum Watkins or Albert Kelly etc.. someone with that bit of pace who can turns a game in a split second. And for me them players win you grand finals (Rob Burrow for example). We can grind out results and our forwards can demolish teams but for me top backs win you games.

Re: Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:24 pm  

LFC Saint wrote:

We have no match winners. We have no Kallum Watkins or Albert Kelly etc.. someone with that bit of pace who can turns a game in a split second. And for me them players win you grand finals (Rob Burrow for example). We can grind out results and our forwards can demolish teams but for me top backs win you games.

Walsh, Lomax and Percival (the latter to a lesser extent) fit that bill. Let's not throw the baby out the pram. The plus side (if there is one) is we'd of lost that game by 40 last year. The positive last year is there was always a response, we need one now.

Re: Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:30 pm  

LFC Saint wrote:

We have no match winners. We have no Kallum Watkins or Albert Kelly etc.. someone with that bit of pace who can turns a game in a split second. And for me them players win you grand finals (Rob Burrow for example). We can grind out results and our forwards can demolish teams but for me top backs win you games.

Albert Kelly is as big a negative as a positive. He did absolutely nothing tonight bar catch those two interceptions and run.

There aren't many Kallum Watkins level players in Super League. If there were they'd all be researching properties in Sydney like Watkins is spending his time doing. We've not got a bad set of players, the approach and level of professionalism and execution weren't good enough tonight. We're not a great side, but neither are any of the other sides in SL. I'd say we have probably the best 17 if we could get them all on the pitch. We can even afford a defeat to Wigan as long as we beat Hull. Things are that bad, tonight was just a shocking performance. It happens from time to time. That's not to say there shouldn't be repercussions from it, Swift's place must surely be in doubt now.

Re: Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:32 pm  

Walsh wont split the defence and go 60 metres when our forwards are taking a battering. Lomax before 2 cruciate injuries had the potential and Percival at the minute does hav ethe potential to be that player.

We dont have anybody who can go round the outside or over players and make 60 - 70 metre breaks. Not one. When we was the top dogs Bradford had the pack we had the backs. That's what wins you the Grand finals

Re: Justice done : Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:38 pm  

LFC Saint wrote:

Walsh wont split the defence and go 60 metres when our forwards are taking a battering. Lomax before 2 cruciate injuries had the potential and Percival at the minute does hav ethe potential to be that player.

We dont have anybody who can go round the outside or over players and make 60 - 70 metre breaks. Not one. When we was the top dogs Bradford had the pack we had the backs. That's what wins you the Grand finals

I know. But neither does anyone else, so it doesn't really matter. Leeds have probably the best backs in SL and they are an injury to Cuthbertson or Peacock away from being nothing. Get Walsh back and we'll be fine this season. Tonight was just a dreadful performance.