[Sadfish]

General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:02 am  

rolling up to last nights game I was hoping that we scored and the roosted scored less than 40 points, so from that aspect I was happy with the result.

however, on seeing the roosters lineup and the saints lineup, I was disapointed with a few basic errors as a team.

Firstly, the roosters where not as strong as Souths last year, they don't have the all star line up and looked a bit rusty.

Secondly, they chose to play a safe game, standard one out football looking for gaps around the first man in and nothing special, they clearly understood the consitions, respected the opposition and patiently waited for Saints to make mistakes.

Saints too went for one out football to start with and the first 10 minutes were bright, they made it look like it was going to be a good tough match.

Then, sadly our backs didn't read the 'tough it out' script, they pushed the ball on too many occasions, they kicked on the 4th to the full back when there was space either side, 2 restarts went out on the full, there was no patience from them or the senior members of the squad, and time after time ball went to ground or into the roosters arms due to our mistakes.

I would much rather see saints play a game of chess, and go for repeat sets on the opposition line than throw speculative passes out wide or panic pass on the last to try and score on each set.

The roosters stuck to a simple game plan, and turned over on our line if they had too, they never looked like they were pushing the ball and always had patience and respect for the ball the conditions and the opposition. They got to the 5th and the put up a high ball turning us around in our own 10 every single time almost.

It would be interesting to see the stats on completed sets and the error count. I think our forwards did enough yards, but we gave them far too much ball and not in their own 10.

I think if I want to see anything come out of this I want to see Keiron instill patience in the team, and ability to simply play out our sets of 6 early on to enable us to wait for errors and work out were the gaps and weaknesses are and to stop the panic pass football late on in the tackle count when there are many minutes left on the clock.

we have the players to compete this year, but until we get them playing a simple game plan the off the cuff stuff won't work.

Re: General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:07 am  

That's pretty much how I felt leaving the ground last night. They did not need to do anything special to win. Our lack of respecting possession gave them the opportunities to exploit

Re: General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:59 am  

Sadfish wrote:

rolling up to last nights game I was hoping that we scored and the roosted scored less than 40 points, so from that aspect I was happy with the result.

however, on seeing the roosters lineup and the saints lineup, I was disapointed with a few basic errors as a team.

Firstly, the roosters where not as strong as Souths last year, they don't have the all star line up and looked a bit rusty.

Secondly, they chose to play a safe game, standard one out football looking for gaps around the first man in and nothing special, they clearly understood the consitions, respected the opposition and patiently waited for Saints to make mistakes.

Saints too went for one out football to start with and the first 10 minutes were bright, they made it look like it was going to be a good tough match.

Then, sadly our backs didn't read the 'tough it out' script, they pushed the ball on too many occasions, they kicked on the 4th to the full back when there was space either side, 2 restarts went out on the full, there was no patience from them or the senior members of the squad, and time after time ball went to ground or into the roosters arms due to our mistakes.

I would much rather see saints play a game of chess, and go for repeat sets on the opposition line than throw speculative passes out wide or panic pass on the last to try and score on each set.

The roosters stuck to a simple game plan, and turned over on our line if they had too, they never looked like they were pushing the ball and always had patience and respect for the ball the conditions and the opposition. They got to the 5th and the put up a high ball turning us around in our own 10 every single time almost.

It would be interesting to see the stats on completed sets and the error count. I think our forwards did enough yards, but we gave them far too much ball and not in their own 10.

I think if I want to see anything come out of this I want to see Keiron instill patience in the team, and ability to simply play out our sets of 6 early on to enable us to wait for errors and work out were the gaps and weaknesses are and to stop the panic pass football late on in the tackle count when there are many minutes left on the clock.

we have the players to compete this year, but until we get them playing a simple game plan the off the cuff stuff won't work.

Excellent post that. I would add though that when every one of their backs had at least a yard or two of pace over our backs, and size too, that they can be patient knowing that they can punish any mistake.

Saints lack pace. Apart from Swift, if we picked up a loose ball or interception near their (any team) line, how many of our players would you back to go full length of the field? If you match up to our forwards, play out the sets of six and have Saints picking the ball up in their own 20 consistently then you will get a win against Saints.

[Sadfish]

Re: General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:37 am  

Yeah it has to be made note thqt the aussies are coming in after training in summer tekps and sts in winters shoite.

Thats a yard or 2 difference right there.

Re: General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:46 am  

Sadfish wrote:

Yeah it has to be made note thqt the aussies are coming in after training in summer tekps and sts in winters shoite.

Thats a yard or 2 difference right there.

Saints trained at Rivington in deep mud, hail, rain and freezing temperatures, while Roosters trained on hard ground, beach with the sun on there backs. It didn't matter that we were 2 games to the good Roosters were fitter, faster and better conditioned without playing a game.

Re: General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:05 pm  

Could write a book of excuses on here to why we lost. Simple fact, they are better than us by miles. I predicted 56-6 to roosters so we did better than I thought.

Let's see how Wigan do tonight. They will have trained in mud and they will be handicapped by the NRL bigger salary cap.

People need to realise, we are miles away from the NRL.

Re: General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:23 pm  

Sadfish wrote:

we have the players to compete this year, but until we get them playing a simple game plan the off the cuff stuff won't work.

Do you really believe that we have the players needed to be successful? No strike players, awful half backs and a pack with no backbone? We don't have the players or the coaching staff required to be a top SL side.

[Sadfish]

Re: General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:32 pm  

I said "compete."

Re: General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:35 pm  

Sadfish wrote:

I said "compete."

We won the grand final two years ago, surely thst should have been a platform to challenge for trophies rather than just compete?

Re: General Tactical comments from last nights game. : Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:58 pm  

St pete wrote:

Could write a book of excuses on here to why we lost. Simple fact, they are better than us by miles. I predicted 56-6 to roosters so we did better than I thought.

Let's see how Wigan do tonight. They will have trained in mud and they will be handicapped by the NRL bigger salary cap.

People need to realise, we are miles away from the NRL.

I don't think you can differentiate from excuses and facts, yes there are many factors why Sydney Roosters are much better than us. Sydney Roosters beat Canterbury Bulldogs in the semis last year 38-12 does that mean we can be excused by having experienced the same outcome, no its just a factual occurrence.