: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:46 pm  

Gill J wrote:

Second, standing is not allowed at the back of the Main Family Stand due to that being a designated disabled viewing area for those not able to sit in the stand by any other means than in a Wheelchair. It must be kept clear as I and the rest of the people who use that area do not want to reverse into anyone who is stood behind me when they shouldn't be, unless you have a penchant fopr broken toes.
I really hope this explains it.

Bit OTT Gill. You know that the Bulls nist be one of the best SL clubs for wheelchair access and viewing. Surprised that you think that wheelchair users do not have the whit or intelligence to avoid spectators toes in their manipulations. Are they to become a HSE issue?

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:08 am  

I love it when people solemnly tell me what "might become" an issue - when it never remotely has.

I'm making my way out, but choosing to do so along the back of the stand. I'm allowed to go that way; if I wasn't, then it would be blocked off. If play in the last minute or two looks as if we might score, I might pause to watch for a tackle or three. But then all the people around me are always doing the same thing. It's human nature. I don't "stand at the back for 10 minutes" and agree that that is not permitted.

Yes, if 5000 people were crammed into that bit there would be a problem. In that weird thing called "real life", which I seem to be more capable of recognising than some, this does not happen, never has happened, and is never remotely likely to happen.

Gill J wrote:

It must be kept clear as I and the rest of the people who use that area do not want to reverse into anyone who is stood behind me when they shouldn't be, unless you have a penchant fopr broken toes.

I don't believe you really think that. The stand at Odsal apart, wherever you go, where else are people forbidden from standing in your vicinity lest you reverse over their toes? ! Your point that people shouldn't be allowed to block those areas or encroach on the areas where wheelchair users are sat is pefectly sound, but isn't helped by inventing potential H&S problems, nit-picking-risk-assessor style.

I have never got in the way of nor encroached on the space of the wheelchair users, and if I stand in what is a clear space, which nobody is either using or wanting to use, there is no problem, unless somebody chooses to pretend there are some fanciful circumstances that might make it a problem. It's like Wigan Bull's dark "threats of chaos". Sure, no chaos has ever ensued, or remotely threatened to ensue, but you never know . . .

It was like banning smoking in concrete stands in pre-smoking ban days, on the grounds of "fire risk". There was, of course - in the absence of a fag end big and hot enough to set concrete ablaze - no fire risk at all, but nevertheless you don't want to take chances, do you, you never know . . .

Anyway, no, I don't want to have a mini-novelette argument, and thankfully there is no need as common sense which co-incides with my views has thankfully prevailed, so let's end it at that, Bravo Bulls.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:40 pm  

bobsmyuncle wrote:

Bit OTT Gill. You know that the Bulls nist be one of the best SL clubs for wheelchair access and viewing. Surprised that you think that wheelchair users do not have the whit or intelligence to avoid spectators toes in their manipulations. Are they to become a HSE issue?

We have the wit and the intelligence but may not have the ability.

I have problems seeing people that are right behind me, the toe situation has happened to someone who stood behind another disabled spectator. Although the person for apologised for getting his toes and the person and he got laughed it off it still happened. Nobody should have been there but when people stand at the back this is was happens and its not nice when you are relaxing enjoying a game.

There is a concourse for having a natter on but the route along the back of the stand has to be kept clear, they are the rules once the game starts. It has to be a route to the seating and concessions and toilets as well as the viewing area for wheelchair users. That area has been kept clear for years so on that point I'll defend the Stewards.

As for the HSE issue I'll laugh and assume you were not serious, please let me be right.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:52 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I love it when people solemnly tell me what "might become" an issue - when it never remotely has.

I'm making my way out, but choosing to do so along the back of the stand. I'm allowed to go that way; if I wasn't, then it would be blocked off. If play in the last minute or two looks as if we might score, I might pause to watch for a tackle or three. But then all the people around me are always doing the same thing. It's human nature. I don't "stand at the back for 10 minutes" and agree that that is not permitted.

Yes, if 5000 people were crammed into that bit there would be a problem. In that weird thing called "real life", which I seem to be more capable of recognising than some, this does not happen, never has happened, and is never remotely likely to happen.


I don't believe you really think that. The stand at Odsal apart, wherever you go, where else are people forbidden from standing in your vicinity lest you reverse over their toes? ! Your point that people shouldn't be allowed to block those areas or encroach on the areas where wheelchair users are sat is pefectly sound, but isn't helped by inventing potential H&S problems, nit-picking-risk-assessor style.

I have never got in the way of nor encroached on the space of the wheelchair users, and if I stand in what is a clear space, which nobody is either using or wanting to use, there is no problem, unless somebody chooses to pretend there are some fanciful circumstances that might make it a problem. It's like Wigan Bull's dark "threats of chaos". Sure, no chaos has ever ensued, or remotely threatened to ensue, but you never know . . .

It was like banning smoking in concrete stands in pre-smoking ban days, on the grounds of "fire risk". There was, of course - in the absence of a fag end big and hot enough to set concrete ablaze - no fire risk at all, but nevertheless you don't want to take chances, do you, you never know . . .

Anyway, no, I don't want to have a mini-novelette argument, and thankfully there is no need as common sense which co-incides with my views has thankfully prevailed, so let's end it at that, Bravo Bulls.

Nope no mini-novellette, no matter what your view is you can stand for the last 10 minutes at the back of the Stand. If you would do it others would and its not going to happen.

As for the subject of the thread and the abolishing of the new ticketing system surely all is now as it should be and everyone is happy.