Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:38 am  

Three weeks ago Germany officially recognised the Armenian genocide as the historical fact that it is.

That right there was the nearest signal to a formal end of the long abandoned Turkish hopes of joining we're going to get. They've been pivoting to the near east since Erdogan came to power.

Turkey was the reddest red herring in the whole debate.

Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:47 am  

vbfg wrote:

If it doesn't happen there will be riots. If it does, there will also be riots.

the right wing press who fermented the supposed threat of immigration, fear of forriners, rule by Brussels will ensure there is no going back.

Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:58 am  

There are currently freaking out too, though I suspect because freaking the fsck out is the thing that sells right now.

Also, they need to pass through something before turning their ire on the low waged / unemployed as the scourge of society.

(Just today I have twice walked away from conversations with people who regret their vote. I work with them, and they have fscked themselves just like they have fscked me and the rest of this city's largest employer outside the council. It was an hour ago and I'm still shaking with rage. This is a scene being played out up and down the land. Good luck with that national unity gibberish. Not going to happen.)

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:24 am  

mystic eddie wrote: Would I be right in thinking that you are not 100% content with the result of EU Ref? It's a week later and I am considerably calmer.

mystic eddie wrote: Would I be right in thinking that you are not 100% content with the result of EU Ref? It's a week later and I am considerably calmer.