Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:08 pm  

No central funding + points deduction = Relegation from SL + Administration

Why not try:-

No central funding + even more points deduction + start a new club from scratch in 4 weeks = What could possibly go wrong

Sorry for the pessimism can't help it at the moment.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:16 pm  

fifty50 wrote:

No central funding + points deduction = Relegation from SL + Administration

Why not try:-

No central funding + even more points deduction + start a new club from scratch in 4 weeks = What could possibly go wrong

Sorry for the pessimism can't help it at the moment.

It's not pessimistic, it's clear evidence that the fans have learnt from past mistakes even if the owners and rfl might not have.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:18 pm  

This must have been slow torture for Bulls fans, now we have reached this point it would surely have been better if we'd got here 7 weeks ago. I do believe the administrator did no favours to anyone with his constant hype about various supposed bidders.

Richard Lamb now looks your best bet at least he made it clear there would be no pot of gold but would start from scratch living within your means but working towards a strong Bradford club.

In the heat of this crushing blow I think some of you are not thinking clearly, understandably so but there is something you need to get your heads around.

To exist in any league be it championship or league 1 you need the RFL to grant membership and the RFL have told you today that if anyone wants to start a new club then it has to be in the Championship with 12 points deduction and ranked 12th and therefore minimum funding.

There is no other show in town. This is because the RFL have 11 other championship clubs to represent and ALL of them have assumed and budgeted on the basis of a Bradford club in the championship. Yes there may be fans of those clubs complaining but at this late stage the last thing any of the 11 want is Bradford not in the championship.

Anyone wanting to form a new club for 2017 ..... the RFL have stated clearly the terms in which this is possible.

IF I were you I'd prefer to sit out 2017 because if you don't like what the RFL have proposed that's what you'll have to do. A new club will be formed at some point without a shadow of a doubt........it will either be in the championship in 2017 under the terms offered or at the very bottom of the league structure starting from scratch in 2018.

Sorry to be so blunt that's how it is....IMO.

Under various ownerships the Bradford club have left creditors, sponsors, fans etc empty handed not once not twice but three times in just 5 years. There has to be consequences otherwise why would any RL club want to pay their bills? Why would any business want to support a RL club?

As ever the fans who are blameless suffer the most but the situation is what it is.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:27 pm  

dddooommm wrote:

Very interesting comments from Ross. His 'Timeline of Disaster' was damming. Lance Du'Lac has also been on BCB claiming he was "overpaid" whilst on the books as Head of Performance at Odsal. He also stated that the club and staff never got over the loss in the Million Pound Game.

At least one member of staff has been honest enough to say what a shambles the management of the club was. How the club hoped to operate with no working budgets is beyond belief and just goes to show what a poor administrator Ferres was.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:32 pm  

el red wrote:

At least one member of staff has been honest enough to say what a shambles the management of the club was. How the club hoped to operate with no working budgets is beyond belief and just goes to show what a poor administrator Ferres was.

Ferret has left destruction wherever he's gone. Wakefield and Castleford fans have little good to say about him.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:33 pm  

el red wrote:

At least one member of staff has been honest enough to say what a shambles the management of the club was. How the club hoped to operate with no working budgets is beyond belief and just goes to show what a poor administrator Ferres was.

The RFL's safe pair of hands....

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:34 pm  

His Bobness wrote:

...
In the heat of this crushing blow I think some of you are not thinking clearly, understandably so but there is something you need to get your heads around.

It is good that you made time to clarify our thinking for us. I appreciate it.

His Bobness wrote:

...To exist in any league be it championship or league 1 you need the RFL to grant membership and the RFL have told you today that if anyone wants to start a new club then it has to be in the Championship with 12 points deduction and ranked 12th and therefore minimum funding.

There is no other show in town. This is because the RFL have 11 other championship clubs to represent and ALL of them have assumed and budgeted on the basis of a Bradford club in the championship. Yes there may be fans of those clubs complaining but at this late stage the last thing any of the 11 want is Bradford not in the championship.

Anyone wanting to form a new club for 2017 ..... the RFL have stated clearly the terms in which this is possible.

Yes. We can read. We read it.

His Bobness wrote:

...IF I were you I'd prefer to sit out 2017 because if you don't like what the RFL have proposed that's what you'll have to do.

Now who's not thinking clearly? What we on here may like or dislike is totally irrelevant, as we have zero say.

His Bobness wrote:

...Under various ownerships the Bradford club have left creditors, sponsors, fans etc empty handed not once not twice but three times in just 5 years. There has to be consequences otherwise why would any RL club want to pay their bills? Why would any business want to support a RL club?

Who are you arguing with? Who said there shouldn't be consequences? Don't you think having no club, no team, the whole lot gone, is "consequences"? You seriously think that the RFL penalties for next season are the consequences that would deter other clubs from getting themselves liquidated, and without 12 point penalties, everybody will do it?

Really?

His Bobness wrote:

.. the situation is what it is.

Ah but is it, though?

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:37 pm  

Oh god.

FA's gone line by line.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:40 pm  

el red wrote:

At least one member of staff has been honest enough to say what a shambles the management of the club was. How the club hoped to operate with no working budgets is beyond belief and just goes to show what a poor administrator Ferres was.

Robbie, Ferres and Stu Duffy all implicated in this mess of mismanagement and no budgets, arguably Ferres more than the others but all three should never be let loose at a club again. Fair play to Lance for being honest enough to tell the listeners just exactly what a mess it has been up there.

Re: Phoenix from the flames? : Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:43 pm  

His Bobness wrote:

This must have been slow torture for Bulls fans, now we have reached this point it would surely have been better if we'd got here 7 weeks ago. I do believe the administrator did no favours to anyone with his constant hype about various supposed bidders.

Richard Lamb now looks your best bet at least he made it clear there would be no pot of gold but would start from scratch living within your means but working towards a strong Bradford club.

In the heat of this crushing blow I think some of you are not thinking clearly, understandably so but there is something you need to get your heads around.

To exist in any league be it championship or league 1 you need the RFL to grant membership and the RFL have told you today that if anyone wants to start a new club then it has to be in the Championship with 12 points deduction and ranked 12th and therefore minimum funding.

There is no other show in town. This is because the RFL have 11 other championship clubs to represent and ALL of them have assumed and budgeted on the basis of a Bradford club in the championship. Yes there may be fans of those clubs complaining but at this late stage the last thing any of the 11 want is Bradford not in the championship.

Anyone wanting to form a new club for 2017 ..... the RFL have stated clearly the terms in which this is possible.

IF I were you I'd prefer to sit out 2017 because if you don't like what the RFL have proposed that's what you'll have to do. A new club will be formed at some point without a shadow of a doubt........it will either be in the championship in 2017 under the terms offered or at the very bottom of the league structure starting from scratch in 2018.

Sorry to be so blunt that's how it is....IMO.

Under various ownerships the Bradford club have left creditors, sponsors, fans etc empty handied not once not twice but three times in just 5 years. There has to be consequences otherwise why would any RL club want to pay their bills? Why would any business want to support a RL club?

As ever the fans who are blameless suffer the most but the situation is what it is.

Don't forget the academy which John Bastian has worked so hard to build and develop talent is now being picked apart player by player as our future Bulls leave for more secured pastures.