Re: Penalty try : Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:36 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Not being funny, but you didn't understand what I said.

If you are saying that it wasn't given as a penalty try, which I'm happy to take your word as I haven't watched the recording, then explain to me how a momentary contact with the head in the air, which was immediately released, can possibly be a foul on a player "who is touching down for a try".

He isn't. He is IN THE AIR. At the point of that contact, neither you nor anyone can sensibly claim he was a man "who is touching down for a try". At that point, what he was (plainly) doing was jumping up in the air, catching a ball.

"This law applies to the period during which the ball is touched down for a try ... "

Contact with the head is still contact with the head. I remember Gareth Raynor being sent off for momentary contact with Sam Tomkins head. Can't remember if it was given as a 8 point try in that case. With my pedants head I couls also argue that he was touching the ball down (even if it was from about 7 foot in the air)

Re: Penalty try : Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:19 pm  

Wasn't the comment by the video ref something along the lines of..."well if you can't show me that angle, I will assume that he was onside then..."

So what's the point of the VR again?

Re: Penalty try : Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:18 pm  

debaser wrote:

Wasn't the comment by the video ref something along the lines of..."well if you can't show me that angle, I will assume that he was onside then..."

So what's the point of the VR again?

That is correct. VR cannot rule against on field ref without definite proof.

Re: Penalty try : Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:43 am  

The clear elbow to the face would constitute a penalty either way. I think the initial contact; Webster was contesting the ball and what he did was pure instinct in attempting to tackle Tyrer. I think him then dropping the elbow on Tyrer was out of pure frustration for being out- performed in that instance. To be honest, apart from the try he scored he was pretty ineffective. Potentially he might suffer from a lack of opportunity down that wing without a decent second- rower playing inside him. I expected him to do some real damage in the Championship??? Not sure what channel Minchella plays down. I think if you look at Chester Butler, he was pretty anonymous having Larroyer playing inside of him. Larroyer is no ball handler. A different proposition when he has Grady or Barber playing inside of him.

[Bullseye]

Re: Penalty try : Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:14 am  

TBF I didn't have much of an issue with it being an 8 point try. The BBC fecked up by not putting that up on screen, it wasn't a penalty try.

Re: Penalty try : Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:25 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

TBF I didn't have much of an issue with it being an 8 point try. The BBC fecked up by not putting that up on screen, it wasn't a penalty try.

I think whoever was in charge of the BBC scoring had never heard of an 8 point try either. When the 8 pointer was awarded, they put the score as Bulls 6 - 8 Fax, then when they kicked the first conversion Bulls 6 - 10 Fax, then I think even after (though can't remember) the second conversion they may have put it to Bulls 6 - 12 Fax before someone whispered in their ear to tell them the actual try award is still only worth 4 points