Ten games in: THE Macca Poll : Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:18 am  

Well if you include our CC game it is 10 games. So as promised I have waitd until the memory of the weekend has faded so we can have an objective vote.

I have been a critic but I have voted for option 2. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt when we get more bodies back on deck. If things carry on though it will be option 3 for mine.

If relegation was a threat he should have gone by now though IMO.

It will be interesting to read the views of ME and FA on this.

Seriously

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:42 am  

i think its the chairman that has to go

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:48 am  

northy wrote:

i think its the chairman that has to go

Hes a top bloke is Peter Hood if thats who you mean. Fine let him go but who else would you bring in?

IMO we should be tapping up celebrities known to support the Bulls for donations.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:51 am  

Ancient Provocateur wrote:

Hes a top bloke is Peter Hood if thats who you mean. Fine let him go but who else would you bring in?

IMO we should be tapping up celebrities known to support the Bulls for donations.

Gareth Gates?

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:53 am  

Easy. Option 5.

Before doing anything, identify the causes of the problems not just the symptoms. We can all see the symptoms, but the only people in a position to properly identify the causes are those very close to the problems. Answers like "its the coach's fault" are far too simplistic.

If it transpires that the causes are indeed largely down to the coach (which may prove so, but I will admit to considerable doubts) then its at least option 3 - no brainer or even option 4 if the causes are that serious.

If it transpires that the causes are a lot more complex, and are largely down to factors beyond the coach's control (which, worryingly, is what I am more concerned about) then this poll would be about as helpful as rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. The issue then would be a whole lot more fundamental than replacing the coach.

I'm sure that people close to the problems have a damn good idea what the causes are. And as I've said elsewhere, I'd love to hear Morro's and Beaver's honest take on it all. If coaching IS the issue, I'd expect activity to already be underway anyway. If.

My biggest worry is that someone might take a decision to replace the coach because its that's easier than fixing the real causes, like Wigan used to do.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:55 am  

northy wrote:

i think its the chairman that has to go

And who would you replace him with? Given the job pays no salary and attracts a great deal of flak and possibly involves putting money into the club?

I'm sure we'd welcome seeing your list of prospective replacements?

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:55 am  

Adeybull wrote:

then this poll would be about as helpful as rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Quality

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:57 am  

Adeybull wrote:

Easy. Option 5.

Before doing anything, identify the causes of the problems not just the symptoms. We can all see the symptoms, but the only people in a position to properly identify the causes are those very close to the problems. Answers like "its the coach's fault" are far too simplistic.

If it transpires that the causes are indeed largely down to the coach (which may prove so, but I will admit to considerable doubts) then its at least option 3 - no brainer or even option 4 if the causes are that serious.

If it transpires that the causes are a lot more complex, and are largely down to factors beyond the coach's control (which, worryingly, is what I am more concerned about) then this poll would be about as helpful as rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. The issue then would be a whole lot more fundamental than replacing the coach.

I'm sure that people close to the problems have a damn good idea what the causes are. And as I've said elsewhere, I'd love to hear Morro's and Beaver's honest take on it all. If coaching IS the issue, I'd expect activity to already be underway anyway. If.

My biggest worry is that someone might take a decision to replace the coach because its that's easier than fixing the real causes, like Wigan used to do.

Would a different coach do better with the same team. Theres only one way to find out but I'm not sure if it would be a reversible move if it didn't pay off

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:58 pm  

I am (and have been) of a similar view to Adey. At the moment there are far more questions than answers, that therefore makes it difficult to make a call about the coach.

Also, Adey, with regard to Morro's & Menzies views, there have been subtle messages of support in Morro's blogs certainly.

One from the top of my head refers to Morro going in to coaching and him mirroring many of the traits Macca has.

These less obvious "messages of support" make me think more and more that the coach isn't the problem.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:21 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

Easy. Option 5.

Before doing anything, identify the causes of the problems not just the symptoms. We can all see the symptoms, but the only people in a position to properly identify the causes are those very close to the problems. Answers like "its the coach's fault" are far too simplistic.

If it transpires that the causes are indeed largely down to the coach (which may prove so, but I will admit to considerable doubts) then its at least option 3 - no brainer or even option 4 if the causes are that serious.

If it transpires that the causes are a lot more complex, and are largely down to factors beyond the coach's control (which, worryingly, is what I am more concerned about) then this poll would be about as helpful as rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. The issue then would be a whole lot more fundamental than replacing the coach.

I'm sure that people close to the problems have a damn good idea what the causes are. And as I've said elsewhere, I'd love to hear Morro's and Beaver's honest take on it all. If coaching IS the issue, I'd expect activity to already be underway anyway. If.

My biggest worry is that someone might take a decision to replace the coach because its that's easier than fixing the real causes, like Wigan used to do.

BOOM!

Got it in one. Do we honestly think that if Macca's coaching was that bad he'd still be in a job. I would suggest that there are things going on behind the scenes that most posters on here are unaware of. The fact there is no relegation may be a timely addition to SL for the Bulls and one season of underachievment may be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I do hope its just that Bradford are in a stage of "rebuilding"