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Gordon Brown Vs McNamara : Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:11 pm  
Seems to me to be a good comparison.

In the attempts of rooting out hypocrisy I wonder how many so-called Macca Backers think Gordon Brown should resign?

So Macca Backers...?

P.S. I think a job swap for a week would be amusing :D Macca would deal with the economic crisis with ease by pumping money into OSV :D
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: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:20 pm  
I'm not a Macca Backer but there is a funny comparison, just who do Labour bring in to get them out of this mess? There isn't anyone who'd turn it around for them before the next General Election.
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: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:22 pm  
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I'm not a Macca Backer but there is a funny comparison, just who do Labour bring in to get them out of this mess? There isn't anyone who'd turn it around for them before the next General Election.


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: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:51 pm  
It bugs me this, how exactly is the world economy Brown's fault? How is the corruption of MPs (from ALL parties) Brown's fault?

The tories are laughing, they would have been in exactly the same mess had they been in power, yet everyone blames Labour.
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Re: Gordon Brown Vs McNamara : Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:02 pm  
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Seems to me to be a good comparison.

In the attempts of rooting out hypocrisy I wonder how many so-called Macca Backers think Gordon Brown should resign?

So Macca Backers...?

P.S. I think a job swap for a week would be amusing :D Macca would deal with the economic crisis with ease by pumping money into OSV :D


I thought of commenting on this but there is no guarantee that any replacement would do a better job. Anyway, you are not allowed to speculate unless you have a replacement lined up that....

a. Labour could attract.
b. Would want to go there.

You also have to consider that the Tories in particular have wealthier backgrounds and may be more able to tempt the potential replacement.

What people fail to realise is that Gordon Brown has done a lot of work, specifically in the the more closely fought constituencies mainly around the Cumbria region and there is always the thought that by replacing him, these Cumbrian Communities may suffer a great deal of dis-illusionment.

Gordon Brown's Labour are a work in progress and as he has only been in his position since the 27th June 2007, (less time than McNamara) then calls to replace him are surely knee-jerkery of the highest order?





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Re: Gordon Brown Vs McNamara : Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:39 pm  
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I thought of commenting on this but there is no guarantee that any replacement would do a better job. Anyway, you are not allowed to speculate unless you have a replacement lined up that....

a. Labour could attract.
b. Would want to go there.

You also have to consider that the Tories in particular have wealthier backgrounds and may be more able to tempt the potential replacement.

What people fail to realise is that Gordon Brown has done a lot of work, specifically in the the more closely fought constituencies mainly around the Cumbria region and there is always the thought that by replacing him, these Cumbrian Communities may suffer a great deal of dis-illusionment.

Gordon Brown's Labour are a work in progress and as he has only been in his position since the 27th June 2007, (less time than McNamara) then calls to replace him are surely knee-jerkery of the highest order?
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Re: Gordon Brown Vs McNamara : Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:42 pm  
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I thought of commenting on this but there is no guarantee that any replacement would do a better job. Anyway, you are not allowed to speculate unless you have a replacement lined up that....

a. Labour could attract.
b. Would want to go there.

You also have to consider that the Tories in particular have wealthier backgrounds and may be more able to tempt the potential replacement.

What people fail to realise is that Gordon Brown has done a lot of work, specifically in the the more closely fought constituencies mainly around the Cumbria region and there is always the thought that by replacing him, these Cumbrian Communities may suffer a great deal of dis-illusionment.

Gordon Brown's Labour are a work in progress and as he has only been in his position since the 27th June 2007, (less time than McNamara) then calls to replace him are surely knee-jerkery of the highest order?





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I'm sure Gordon is heavily investing in youth as well.
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: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:04 pm  
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It bugs me this, how exactly is the world economy Brown's fault? How is the corruption of MPs (from ALL parties) Brown's fault?

The tories are laughing, they would have been in exactly the same mess had they been in power, yet everyone blames Labour.


The main reason we are in this mess - affected worse than most - is because over years of a so-called economic boom we failed to set anything aside for a rainy day - and especially to pay down debt. Individually, corporately and - most relevant to this point - governmentally. Instead, Brown went on a public spending binge which led to INCREASED borrowing in a time when borrowing should by all normal rules have been significantly reduced. Had it have been, and had Brown's policies as chancellor not encouraged increasing borrowing across the whole economy, we would have been far better-placed to weather this severe recession than we actually are.

Would the Tories have been in the same mess? Well, after the 1992/93 recession Ken Clarke increased taxes and reduced spending, and as a result the levels of borrowing and the budget deficit reduced dramatically. This meant a dramatically improved and improving economic situation was bequeathed to the incoming labour government. Brown won plaudits during their first term - by sticking to the Tories' spending plans! And guess what? Borrowing and the budget situation further improved. Unfortunately he then blew it by letting public spending rip in the second term and thereafter, and it was that that has meant we entered this severe recession far worse-placed than we should have been.

Its probably academic to wonder how different the Tories would have been, because they were a tired government well past their sell-by date and increasingly losing their legitimacy and moral authority. Clarke proved an exception in an increasingly-mediocre administration.

But yes I blame Labour, and so I expect will history, for the reasons I have said and a good few others too. And the Tories are definitely NOT laughing, cos whoever wins the next election will HAVE to increase taxes AND absolutely hammer public spending and the public sector generally. Everyone knows it; few beyond the likes of Vince Cable will admit it. Talk about a poisoned chalice? The most likely outcome right now is that the Tories will indeed win, will try and fix the mess (a year later than its should be) and become so unpopular for doing so that they will be ejected at the next election. Indeed, this on a lesser scale is what happened in 1997.
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