To Flat..? : Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:00 pm  

As a team when attacking do you think we play to flat?

All we ever really try is a flat ball through the line or a high kick to the corners, they are our main tactics and it's clear they don't work on the whole.

You've only got to take a look at the Saints and Rhinos when they are attacking, they stand so deep, and when their men get the ball theyve got heaps of time to decide what to do before the defender is upon them, where as our man gets the ball and the defender is right in his face.

About the high kick to Menzies and Nero, fair play, we've had some success with it and it does work for us on occasions, but we've got to mix it up a bit, because every last play near the opponents line/20, they know it's going in the air in a crossfield.

I think we need to take a leaf out of their books and play with some depth and width a bit more.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:04 pm  

Or not To Flat. That is the question!

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:38 pm  

Our problem is sometimes we plat too flat and sometimes we play too deep. We don't seem to be able to get it just right.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:09 pm  

...is the answer - what Reardon said to Pryce?

: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:51 am  

ryano wrote:

...is the answer - what Reardon said to Pryce?

That really was quite good. Bet you wish you could have had those 5 hours back though.

Re: To Flat..? : Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:53 am  

Terry Monster wrote:

You've only got to take a look at the Saints ... when they are attacking, they stand so deep, ..

You're kidding, right? Saints invented the half-a-yard forward flat pass, and remain the past masters of it.

Re: To Flat..? : Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:18 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

You're kidding, right? Saints invented the half-a-yard forward flat pass, and remain the past masters of it.

It's not forward its momentum.

: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:02 am  

You can learn a lot from Saints in my opinion, as painful as that may be to admit.

In parts on Sunday they were sensational with ball in hand and made yards for fun with their attacking plays. It's complete rugby, a combination of player positioning, individual alertness and commitment to the team. The dummy runners, the backup plays, play of the ball speed, attacking from deep and giving the ball plenty of width.

It's about quality coaching and the right training but it's also about quality players. They have them all over the park, we have a handful and some of those tend to go missing in games. That's the difference.

: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:34 am  

I'm not worried about whether we are stood too flat or deep, I'm more worried about the fact that time after time our players take the ball stood completely still and our line is completely static.

Take Worrincy for example, he's proved this season that when he takes the ball running he is almost unstoppable and breaks the line more often than not. Yet on Sunday he was stood in the line and taking the ball stood still.

When we did run onto the ball we had some success against the Saints defense, yet the penny didn't drop that that was what we needed to continue doing. When you watch the top teams they have runners all over the place, dummy runners, people running angles and most of the time when players take the ball they already have momentum. This is something we do on occasions but not enough.

: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:51 am  

bullsonfire wrote:

You can learn a lot from Saints in my opinion, as painful as that may be to admit.

In parts on Sunday they were sensational with ball in hand and made yards for fun with their attacking plays. It's complete rugby, a combination of player positioning, individual alertness and commitment to the team. The dummy runners, the backup plays, play of the ball speed, attacking from deep and giving the ball plenty of width.

It's about quality coaching and the right training but it's also about quality players. They have them all over the park, we have a handful and some of those tend to go missing in games. That's the difference.

How come they do then and we dont?