: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:49 am  

Ancient Provocateur wrote:

Thas last year stop living in the past My point is this year Sam is not performing as Macca is overworking him

My point is that he's still only young, once Morro s back and there's more rotation we'll see better performances from him. Also remember that Lynch is not 100%, so Sam has to do even more work. As for Langley, never hearsd of an offload. I'm really disappointed in the way that Langley has -or hasn't- come on. Looked like he could have been a real attacking forward, real hot prospect. Injuries have plagued him, now he's just a workhorse. Although he is reliable, doesn't knock on or try anything stupid too often.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:54 am  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

My point is that he's still only young, once Morro s back and there's more rotation we'll see better performances from him. Also remember that Lynch is not 100%, so Sam has to do even more work. As for Langley, never hearsd of an offload. I'm really disappointed in the way that Langley has -or hasn't- come on. Looked like he could have been a real attacking forward, real hot prospect. Injuries have plagued him, now he's just a workhorse. Although he is reliable, doesn't knock on or try anything stupid too often.

Good points. I still reckon we're a prop short - Solomona has the size?

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:58 am  

Ancient Provocateur wrote:

Good points. I still reckon we're a prop short - Solomona has the size?

Hmmm, but he showed that he is useful as second row with his handling. As long as he stops the ridiculous offloads (we'll keep the magic ones) he's useful in the SR. But I think a bit of rotation would come in Useful.


SR - Morro
SR - Beaver
FR - Langley
FR - Lynch
LF - Burgess

Scrutes and Sol on bench. Burgess and Langers to swap about during subs etc. When fully fit we have choice in forrards as I think morro can play LF aswell.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:02 pm  

I think I'd rather see Kopzcak in the front row than Langley.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:03 pm  

phillgee wrote:

I think I'd rather see Kopzcak in the front row than Langley.

Totally forgot about Koppy . I agree actually.


SR - Morro
SR - Beaver
FR - Lynch
FR - Koppy
LF - Burgess

Subs: Sol, Langers, Scrutes. Doesn't look too bad to me. Cook we've got aswell whilst there's injuries, seems to be coming on a bit more.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:29 pm  

sam has loads more game time than luke so sams stats ant that great

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:48 pm  

Regardless of stats I tend to agree with the comment that Sam Burgess is overworked at the moment. He's coming back from (maybe still recovering) from shoulder surgery and whilst Lynch is not 100%, Morrison is injured and Menzies isn't playing in the forwards young Burgess has alot of weight on his shoulders. He certainly hasn't hit the form that earned him his reputation and with Bradford not playing too well I would have thought he'd have stood out more this season. He is always willling to run it in however, and there is no doubt of his commitment (Not that thats been suggested) In comparison to Luke he's a much more rounded and experienced player. Luke has tremendous potential however he sometimes seems too stationary and flat footed in defence. There is no doubt that Sam is brother number 1 at the moment in regards to there rugby, but Luke certainly has the potential to compete with him.

Back to my original point though. Sam's overworked in my opinion. Steve Mac has 17 men in his squad. Recently some of these 17 have been getting 10 mins on the field and against Leeds only 16 players got on the field. (Platt just warmed the bench) This for me is one criticism of Macca's coaching and in the long run burnout is a real possibility. For me you have to do whatever you can to avoid it and using all your available squad (17) is sensible. (then again I realise Im no Coach)

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:19 pm  

SDB wrote:

Regardless of stats I tend to agree with the comment that Sam Burgess is overworked at the moment. He's coming back from (maybe still recovering) from shoulder surgery and whilst Lynch is not 100%, Morrison is injured and Menzies isn't playing in the forwards young Burgess has alot of weight on his shoulders. He certainly hasn't hit the form that earned him his reputation and with Bradford not playing too well I would have thought he'd have stood out more this season. He is always willling to run it in however, and there is no doubt of his commitment (Not that thats been suggested) In comparison to Luke he's a much more rounded and experienced player. Luke has tremendous potential however he sometimes seems too stationary and flat footed in defence. There is no doubt that Sam is brother number 1 at the moment in regards to there rugby, but Luke certainly has the potential to compete with him.

Back to my original point though. Sam's overworked in my opinion. Steve Mac has 17 men in his squad. Recently some of these 17 have been getting 10 mins on the field and against Leeds only 16 players got on the field. (Platt just warmed the bench) This for me is one criticism of Macca's coaching and in the long run burnout is a real possibility. For me you have to do whatever you can to avoid it and using all your available squad (17) is sensible. (then again I realise Im no Coach)

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:08 pm  

Scruton has been shocking so far a real disappointment.