: Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:47 pm  

redeverready wrote:

Liam Mackay is a second rower playing centre at the moment.

Cant see him making it....Has great hands and work ethic lacks in pace..........ohhh and is a pussy ehhhh macka On a serious note interesting to see nobody as mentioned Duane Straghuier as a potential to come through the ranks inthe next cople of seasons, and as far as i'm aware ooc at the endof the year!!! One to keep hold off

: Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:52 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

In his biography John Monie said that the best academy set ups can expect is 2 players to come through every year. Occasionally clubs get a glut come through but this is the exception rather than the rule.

When you look below at the players who broke through to get more than the odd game per season it looks about right:

This is off the top of my head so I'm sure I missed some.

98 - Deacon, Fielden.
99 - Peacock, L,Pryce.
00 -
01 - Langley, Sykes
02 - Parker, Bridge
03 - Reardon
04 -
05 -
06 - K,Pryce, Halley
07 - Kopczak, James, Cook, Burgess

Brett Ferres, Richard Moore, Aaron Smith, Andy Smith? Depends on your definition of "an odd game".

: Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:04 pm  

MDF wrote:

Brett Ferres, Richard Moore, Aaron Smith, Andy Smith? Depends on your definition of "an odd game".

Ryan Atkins was obviously produced by our system but didn't get first team time so do you include him?

: Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:53 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

In his biography John Monie said that the best academy set ups can expect is 2 players to come through every year. Occasionally clubs get a glut come through but this is the exception rather than the rule.

When you look below at the players who broke through to get more than the odd game per season it looks about right:

This is off the top of my head so I'm sure I missed some.

98 - Deacon, Fielden.
99 - Peacock, L,Pryce.
00 -
01 - Langley, Sykes
02 - Parker, Bridge, Wilkinson, Moore
03 - Reardon
04 - Smith Aaron, Smith Andy
05 - Ferres
06 - K,Pryce, Halley
07 - Kopczak, James, Cook, Burgess

Dave Halley didn't play at all for the first team in 2006.

[Bullseye]

: Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:18 pm  

98 - Deacon, Fielden.
99 - Peacock, L,Pryce.
00 -
01 - Langley, Sykes
02 - Parker, Bridge, Wilkinson, Moore
03 - Reardon
04 - Smith Aaron, Smith Andy
05 - Ferres
06 - K,Pryce
07 - Kopczak, James, Cook, Burgess, Halley

Looking at that lot it seems that if our academy set up continues in the same vein we will average about two regular first teamers per season coming through. Obviously the quality is very variable. 50% have been selected for England IIRC and some have either gone onto NLs or gone completely.

Unless we get a "one off" bumper crop through in the next few years I see no reason to think we'll get more than a couple per year. Exactly why the first team recruitment is so important.

: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:31 pm  

thought burgess broke through earlier than 2007. didnt he come through into first team in 2006 and was pretty much established by 2007 season?

: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:00 pm  

mat wrote:

thought burgess broke through earlier than 2007. didnt he come through into first team in 2006 and was pretty much established by 2007 season?

Yeah think he made about 9 or 10 first team appearances in 2006. It was 2007 that he made a real impact though.

: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:16 pm  

mat wrote:

thought burgess broke through earlier than 2007. didnt he come through into first team in 2006 and was pretty much established by 2007 season?

Burgess played in 6 of the last 10 games of 2006.