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: Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:44 pm  
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I'm not a Macca Backer but there is a funny comparison, just who do Labour bring in to get them out of this mess? There isn't anyone who'd turn it around for them before the next General Election.


are there also parallels before the current incumbants?? :THINK:

Brian Noble -> Steve McNamara
His Tonyness -> Gordon Brown

ride the good times, spend spend spend, win win win - get out just as the roller coaster goes over the top and hand over the problems to the new guy.

:wink:
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: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:44 pm  
Eddie's new coach -> David Cameron. End of thread? ;)
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: Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:27 pm  
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The main reason we are in this mess - affected worse than most - is because over years of a so-called economic boom we failed to set anything aside for a rainy day - and especially to pay down debt.


Blimey a conservative accountant, who'd have thought it...

(P.S. Don't mention the Thatcherite de-regulation of the City, derivative markets, hedge funds, private equity, arbitrage and speculative bubble blowing and a financial regulation system that happily exchanged its elites with investment banks, with Tory and Labour politicians cheering them on from the sidelines and celebrating their 'wealth generation'. Leading to a financial disaster where despite the principle of 'moral hazard' those ideologues of the free market happily took billions of tax payers money to shore up their ruined institutions and at once illustrated the symbiotic relationship between state and capital. Still i suppose we all have to earn a living somehow...)
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: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:19 pm  
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Blimey a conservative accountant, who'd have thought it...

(P.S. Don't mention the Thatcherite de-regulation of the City, derivative markets, hedge funds, private equity, arbitrage and speculative bubble blowing and a financial regulation system that happily exchanged its elites with investment banks, with Tory and Labour politicians cheering them on from the sidelines and celebrating their 'wealth generation'. Leading to a financial disaster where despite the principle of 'moral hazard' those ideologues of the free market happily took billions of tax payers money to shore up their ruined institutions and at once illustrated the symbiotic relationship between state and capital. Still i suppose we all have to earn a living somehow...)


Too easy to jump to conclusions, my friend. Just because I damn Brown and Blair for the long-term damage they have done to this country, and Blair for his utter and complete self-interest (you'd never accuse Brown of that) it does not follow that I am an out-and-out Tory. You'd know that if you regularly frequented the Sin Bin, where - inter alia - I have stated I am no fan of Cameron - and I've been at a dinner where he was the principal speaker so I've seen the guy in action - and would be comfortable with a government of all talents containing the likes of e.g. Field, Hoey, Cable, Hague...

You'd also know that I agree entirely with your opinions of those financial "masters of the universe" scumbags who brought disaster on us all. And maybe this did all start with "Big Bang"; but Labour have had twelve years to remedy whatever was deemed to be wrong with the system, yet all Brown & co did was make it far far worse! they ALLOWED those scumbags the freedom to operate; "light touch"? Nice one, Gordon.

And starting with stripping the BoE of its powers to supervise the banking system in 1997 and transferring those powers to one of its many unelected unaccountable and utterly useless quangos - the FSA who completely and utterly failed to understand the very system they were supposed to be "regulating". And that's before they tried to outdo the Tories in cosying up to the financial sector, whose massive tax takes they were happy to trouser even though we can now see much of that tax was paid on illusory profits.

In short, Labour have had over a decade to fix all the things they told us in 1997 were wrong with the system that were all the fault of the big bad Tories. And their track record speaks for itself.

Including creating the environment where the hedge funds and the property companies and the derivatives traders and the banks and everyone else who created the huge speculative bubble were able to borrow and borrow and borrow - and run up the huge debts that our grandchildren and beyond will still be paying off.

Including allowing most of our infrastructure and industrial base to be sold off overseas - could you see the French or Germans, or the Americans, allowing that without a huge fight?

Including replacing common sense experienced supervision of the financial sector with useless useless bureaucratic w@nkers who did not have a clue what they were doing?

Including pouring more and more public money into ever-widening black holes for little if any visible return?

I could go on and on. And yes, I could lay a different raft of charges at the previous Tory administration's door - and have been seen to do just that.

So do me a favour and don't automatically ascribe to me views that I may well not hold?
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: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:11 pm  
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So do me a favour and don't automatically ascribe to me views that I may well not hold?


Never thought you were a Tory, just a conservative, with a small 'c' you'll note... :wink:
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: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:27 am  
Come the Revolutio my comrades!!!
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: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:16 am  
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Eddie's new coach -> David Cameron. End of thread? ;)


Interesting. Am I to assume that if/when the Mac is replaced you will be looking to prove that changing the coach would make no difference? If so would this not conflict with your positive at all costs mantra :?: :?
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: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:02 pm  
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Interesting. Am I to assume that if/when the Mac is replaced you will be looking to prove that changing the coach would make no difference? If so would this not conflict with your positive at all costs mantra :?: :?

I don't think that's a fair representation of my posts. You call it a mantra, I call it a view informed by the wider picture, which does not change week by week, result by result.

If the club changes the coach, then there's not much I can do about it, obvo. And being a supporter of the club, I would hope for the best and certainly wouldn't be seeking to do down whoever the new coach was. I would not expect miracles and I would not be surprised if the disruption caused outweighed the benefits of this hypothetical superior coach we would have brought in. But unless there was a clear course of action I thought the club should take, I wouldn't be lobbying for change for its own sake. Coach X must stay, whoever he (or she) is...
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: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:22 pm  
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And being a supporter of the club, I would hope for the best and certainly wouldn't be seeking to do down whoever the new coach was.


Well said
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: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:59 am  
McNamara echoes Brown...

“We want to be able to have a legacy that can be left and not just go boom and bust.”
McNamara echoes Brown...

“We want to be able to have a legacy that can be left and not just go boom and bust.”
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