: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:33 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

The RFL wants anybody remotely good to be available for England. I can see Halley at least getting in the train-on squad and depending on form he may be in with a shout.

If Halley didn't play for Bradford I doubt many would give him a second thought. He is 22 & only just managing a first team place. He's scored 5 tries (2 which were for Wakey). Even though wing & FB are our weakest positions I wouldn't have him in the top 5 in either spot. Not to say there isn't latent potential there.

: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:33 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Even though wing & FB are our weakest positions I wouldn't have him in the top 5 in either spot.

Why?

: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:02 pm  

tigertot wrote:

What if you emigrate?

What?

So if you emigrate you change nationality do you?

: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:11 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

Why?

Because he isn't good enough, yet. Before I die I want to see a series win against the Aussies. To do that we need comparable players. There isn't one British FB who would get in the NRL & only possibly Peter Fox as a winger. Halley would be lucky to get a sniff at second string. That's how far we are in those positions.

: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:13 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Because he isn't good enough, yet. Before I die I want to see a series win against the Aussies. To do that we need comparable players. There isn't one British FB who would get in the NRL & only possibly Peter Fox as a winger. Halley would be lucky to get a sniff at second string. That's how far we are in those positions.

Fair enough, I wasn't disagreeing by the way, I just wanted to hear your reasoning. If -touch wood they don't- injuries occur I can't see him being too far off, but as you said, not yet.

: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:42 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

Fair enough, I wasn't disagreeing by the way, I just wanted to hear your reasoning. If -touch wood they don't- injuries occur I can't see him being too far off, but as you said, not yet.

Cheers, I despair when people rave about the likes of Briscoe as England FB. He may well be our best FB, fantastically brave etc, but there has been no-one to compete with Wellens for a good few years & his limitations were cruelly exposed in the WC. Briscoe's defence was absolutely appalling until very recently when he has obviously had some decent coaching. I think possibly Melling at Quins is the best of a mediocre bunch, though there are some bright lights - Owen, Cudjoe - but I've seen enough prospects fade away - Mathers - to not get too hopeful.

: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:59 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

The RFL wants anybody remotely good to be available for England. I can see Halley at least getting in the train-on squad and depending on form he may be in with a shout.

I don't doubt that, my point was that i think it's wrong you can change which country you play for after you've already played for one country. We've had the arguments before but it still doesn't change my view.

: Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:20 pm  

As is he's gonna get picked for england in any games other than against france?

: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:28 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Cheers, I despair when people rave about the likes of Briscoe as England FB. He may well be our best FB, fantastically brave etc, but there has been no-one to compete with Wellens for a good few years & his limitations were cruelly exposed in the WC. Briscoe's defence was absolutely appalling until very recently when he has obviously had some decent coaching. I think possibly Melling at Quins is the best of a mediocre bunch, though there are some bright lights - Owen, Cudjoe - but I've seen enough prospects fade away - Mathers - to not get too hopeful.

Briscoe's nothing special, I agree. Whilst he may be better than any other English FB, he would look like an amateur against Hunt, Slater etc.

: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:01 pm  

Dave Halley, the Bradford full-back whose pace and adventure in recent weeks has carried a hint of Billy Slater Link

Dave Halley, the Bradford full-back whose pace and adventure in recent weeks has carried a hint of Billy Slater Link