Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:45 pm  

Northern Lad wrote:

My bigger concern is this isn't the only article we've seen, or rumour we've heard that players are falling out with Cummins. Is there a culture he's dealing with or a man management problem.

If it had been someone like Heath L'Estrange, or a similarly humble type of bloke, I'd say there may be a problem.

As it happens, the two that have had fall outs with Franny are Whitehead & Naughton. Both of whom, certainly on Twitter and in this press article, talk like they have some sort of god given right to play every week and act how they like.

Without knowing one way or the other, as I'm far from in the know on this, it seems very much like it's this "If I don't get my way...." culture that's being dealt with.

If someone like Heath, Chev Walker or James Donaldson comes out and says they've fallen out with the management and been treated badly, I might start believing something is up. While it's the Billy Big Time players, I'm not convinced that's the case.

Cummins said repeatedly that he wanted a certain attitude and mentality in place, and if you don't fall in with that, you're welcome to go elsewhere. That's very much what it seems like with Whitehead & Naughton.

Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:54 pm  

Agree he does come across as been very cocky and full of himself, doesn't seem like he was big enough to give his real reasons for leaving while still here.Agreed he looks a good player but to be so full of himself after one game is worrying,He states the academy is like a under 19s competition, wonder if that's cos it actually is a under 19s competition.Very good point made about how Sam Burgess conducts himself,somebody has a lot to learn.My lad has also played one Super League and if he acted like this I would give him a clip round his lug hole

Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:09 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

If it had been someone like Heath L'Estrange, or a similarly humble type of bloke, I'd say there may be a problem.

As it happens, the two that have had fall outs with Franny are Whitehead & Naughton. Both of whom, certainly on Twitter and in this press article, talk like they have some sort of god given right to play every week and act how they like.

Without knowing one way or the other, as I'm far from in the know on this, it seems very much like it's this "If I don't get my way...." culture that's being dealt with.

If someone like Heath, Chev Walker or James Donaldson comes out and says they've fallen out with the management and been treated badly, I might start believing something is up. While it's the Billy Big Time players, I'm not convinced that's the case.

Cummins said repeatedly that he wanted a certain attitude and mentality in place, and if you don't fall in with that, you're welcome to go elsewhere. That's very much what it seems like with Whitehead & Naughton.

Ironically, I was explicitly told by a players' relative and separately someone in the press at the London game [I think] that - at the time - a few players didn't quite see eye to eye with Cummins, one being Sammut and the other L'Estrange. And that Heath wouldn't be given the captaincy either, joint or otherwise.

I also duly used my best forum etiquette and dumped it on here asap! (Early September, I'm unsure which thread though)

Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:35 pm  

roger daly wrote:

Agree he does come across as been very cocky and full of himself, doesn't seem like he was big enough to give his real reasons for leaving while still here.Agreed he looks a good player but to be so full of himself after one game is worrying,He states the academy is like a under 19s competition, wonder if that's cos it actually is a under 19s competition.Very good point made about how Sam Burgess conducts himself,somebody has a lot to learn.My lad has also played one Super League and if he acted like this I would give him a clip round his lug hole

Played against your lad once a couple of years ago. Came across as a bit arrogant BUT I strongly believe that it was a ploy to put us off our game and get involved aggressively (worked on one of our players tbh haha) but a few of my mates know him personally and have said he's a good lad. As long as he keeps grounded he will be a quality player and now that the other young fella has gone off to the NRL things can only get better for your lad

Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:43 pm  

Who else has gone to NRL from Leeds?

Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:55 pm  

Baldwinson gone to NZ Warriors.

Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:06 pm  

Like I have said before a lot of the players in the squad have serious misgivings about Cummins man management or lack off.

Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:22 pm  

I think people are reading into this what the journo wants you to read.

There's no actual quote from Naughton saying that he's fallen out with Cummins.
The lad has ability and confidence, and tbh if there are players in the academy who DON'T share his "I want to play in the first team" attitude then really, you have to wonder what they're doing here. He showed what he could be capable of in his debut with Bradford against what was a deplete Huddersfield but it was certainly a strong showing from the lad.

It was reported that he left because his family was moving down under and the amount he was getting playing for Bradford was not enough to support him on his own and that Bradford were not willing to break their salary scale to accommodate him.

But now they're saying it's down to a falling out? Doesn't quite ring true. If he was unhappy at Bradford he could easily put in a request to leave. His frustration at not getting any more game time last year is understandable. We had a fair few injuries so there was at least the option of giving him a debut earlier but it didn't happen.

But it's not like he's playing 1st grade down under either.

Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:22 pm  

Bulls Boy 2011 wrote:

Baldwinson gone to NZ Warriors.

And Mason Tonks,they go next week

Re: Naughton Signs with the Roosters : Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:24 pm  

That's the one, couldn't remember his name haha!