Re: Sam Burgess : Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:36 pm  

Is it just me who thinks it's just you?

Re: Sam Burgess : Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:55 pm  

I want him to be a success just to prove that League produces the better athlete.

It's no surprise that Union poach players from RL, especially for a World cup year, it just goes to show how intelligent the league players are to adapt so quickly.

There haven't been too many success stories of players coming from Union in RL. A recent success could be Gareth Thomas, on the flip side of that Powell at Wigan was average, and he was meant to be one of the best players in the Wales Union side.

Once Sam leaves Union, I just want him to come out and say his experience of Union was Gash! Something I'm sure Kyle Eastmond will do once his contract expires.

[Bulliac]

Re: Sam Burgess : Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:09 pm  

daveyz999 wrote:

I want him to be a success just to prove that League produces the better athlete.

It's no surprise that Union poach players from RL, especially for a World cup year, it just goes to show how intelligent the league players are to adapt so quickly.

There haven't been too many success stories of players coming from Union in RL. A recent success could be Gareth Thomas, on the flip side of that Powell at Wigan was average, and he was meant to be one of the best players in the Wales Union side.

Once Sam leaves Union, I just want him to come out and say his experience of Union was Gash! Something I'm sure Kyle Eastmond will do once his contract expires.

They are two very different games though, and being a success in one and not the other 'proves' very little, imo. I don't blame him for doing it, the life of a professional sportsman is quite short in terms of a lifetime and a career can be ended at any time by injury . The money swilling about over there is well out of our RL planet too, so it's probably a 'no-brainer' for him and his family.

It's just I'm a rugby league fan and I'm not really interested in how he goes on.

Re: Sam Burgess : Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:46 pm  

daveyz999 wrote:

I want him to be a success just to prove that League produces the better athlete.

It's no surprise that Union poach players from RL, especially for a World cup year, it just goes to show how intelligent the league players are to adapt so quickly.

There haven't been too many success stories of players coming from Union in RL. A recent success could be Gareth Thomas, on the flip side of that Powell at Wigan was average, and he was meant to be one of the best players in the Wales Union side.

Once Sam leaves Union, I just want him to come out and say his experience of Union was Gash! Something I'm sure Kyle Eastmond will do once his contract expires.

Erm, no he wasn't.
He had a lucky few games, where they realised he could do a bit of line breaking.
Apart from that, he was an average to good back rower, but certainly not 'one of the best'.
He had an attitude problem too. Remember the incident on the M4 with the golf cart?
He'll be remembered far more as a 'character' than what he achieved, or could've achieved, on the field.

Re: Sam Burgess : Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:10 pm  

TBH, Burgess going to Union came on the back of the England RU team not putting in the performances and the RFU pushing the panic button and grabbing the biggest profile RL star they can that is eligible in some way to pull on an England shirt.

[Bullseye]

Re: Sam Burgess : Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:23 pm  

I wish him all the best personally but I have mixed feelings.

If he’s a big success it’ll make more RL players potential targets for Union, so more could go.

I’m no expert at union but I’m not sure where he’d fit on the field in the 15 man game. In the backs he’s got the power and the skills but I’m less convinced about his speed, acceleration and agility to play there. I know that Tuilagi is hardly an agile lithe whippet either but he does look a bit quicker in acceleration than Sam, if lacking Sam’s flair and power.

In the forwards he’d be wasted as he’d rarely get opportunities to run the ball and he’d use up a lot of energy at scrums, lineouts and all that scrabbling around they do (rucking and mauling).

I’m not sure it will be as rewarding (in a non-monetary sense) and enjoyable as playing for Souths. He will of course get paid heaps and as he’s got about 6-7 years of being a top flight athlete left he should make the most of it.

If any RL forward can make it it’s him as he’s got the drive and commitment to be a success.

Re: Sam Burgess : Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:11 pm  

If they want maximum potential impact in the short term, then centre is the way to go. Like SBW. But if given time to develop into the role, he could redefine loose forward in Union.

Re: Sam Burgess : Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:29 am  

Fantastic, positive article about Sam in a national paper this week, good read. Does real credit to the man http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... de-of.html

Fantastic, positive article about Sam in a national paper this week, good read. Does real credit to the man http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... de-of.html

Re: Sam Burgess : Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:25 am  

Mirfieldbull wrote: Fantastic, positive article about Sam in a national paper this week, good read. Does real credit to the man http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... de-of.html Absolutely fantastic that a Union hack takes up a story about a RL player without one hint of inferior game making inferior players. knowing Sam as a younger player he wouldn't be stopped from his destiny, and there's an element of making his Dad proud of him! Of course he did that in his days with Dewsbury Moor and at the Bulls, as did Tom and George. We will see a lot more of him at Odsal, as I'm sure he will be a guest at some of the games he is able to attend, BullBuilder could ask him to help our academy, as Paul Medley helped him and his Brothers become what they are today. This is also a brilliant PR opportunity for the Bulls, let's hope we exploit it.

Mirfieldbull wrote: Fantastic, positive article about Sam in a national paper this week, good read. Does real credit to the man http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... de-of.html Absolutely fantastic that a Union hack takes up a story about a RL player without one hint of inferior game making inferior players. knowing Sam as a younger player he wouldn't be stopped from his destiny, and there's an element of making his Dad proud of him! Of course he did that in his days with Dewsbury Moor and at the Bulls, as did Tom and George. We will see a lot more of him at Odsal, as I'm sure he will be a guest at some of the games he is able to attend, BullBuilder could ask him to help our academy, as Paul Medley helped him and his Brothers become what they are today. This is also a brilliant PR opportunity for the Bulls, let's hope we exploit it.

Re: Sam Burgess : Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:51 am  

Rarebreed wrote:

BullBuilder could ask him to help our academy, as Paul Medley helped him and his Brothers become what they are today.
This is also a brilliant PR opportunity for the Bulls, let's hope we exploit it.

Do you have any means of contacting him, John? I imagine he might be quite hard to get to these days, given his profile.