Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:57 am  

I expect a much better performance on Sunday. Strangely enough I take confidence from how Halifax have performed against both super league teams who are imo better than trinity.
The team know they let us and themselves down on Saturday and will be keen to make amends this Sunday. Keep the faith!

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:11 am  

With Salford winning big and us losing big I feel helps us in a strange way. Salford could naturally see this as an easy day at the office and understandably.... Us on the other hand surely can't perform that bad 2 weeks in a row!

I will go for us by 4 points... It will go to the wire!

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:37 am  

Think we'll come out aggressive and pumped up, but i think Salford's quality will come through towards the end with them winning by around 14 with us being competitive for 65 minutes.

I think Leigh could also beat Wakey on Saturday. Difficult side to beat at home are Leigh.

If Leigh do beat Wakey that makes our loss to Wakefield even more crucial and we'll have to beat an SL side. Personally think we have to do this before the million pound match to earn promotion.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:43 am  

Fortunately for us, Leigh did peak too soon in the season, as many of us kept saying. Now, their form is getting worse, and getting beat will be denting their confidence. They have lost the belief in their own invincibility.

Wakey are going in the opposite direction thanks to Brian Smith and I don't see them having any trouble winning at Leigh, something which just a few weeks ago I wouldn't have believed. Leigh's chance is the same as our chance was - namely get really into their faces early doors, get stuck in, get into their faces and heads and make them doubt themselves. Not impersonate the doormen at the Hilton.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:12 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Fortunately for us, Leigh did peak too soon in the season, as many of us kept saying. Now, their form is getting worse, and getting beat will be denting their confidence. They have lost the belief in their own invincibility.

Wakey are going in the opposite direction thanks to Brian Smith and I don't see them having any trouble winning at Leigh, something which just a few weeks ago I wouldn't have believed. Leigh's chance is the same as our chance was - namely get really into their faces early doors, get stuck in, get into their faces and heads and make them doubt themselves. Not impersonate the doormen at the Hilton.

Wouldn't say Leigh are going backwards just yet, or Wakefield are definitely on the up. As wofeul as we were on Saturday and as good Wakey were, they still conceded 3 tries. That was with no Gaskell, Mullaney and bloody Harry Siejka at 7. If Leigh come out of the blocks quickly they will score points. One result could change everything. If Leigh win on Saturday, then suddenly the pressure is back on Wakey and big time on us. If Wakey win convincingly though and we lose to Salford, i think that could be it for the championship clubs. Psychologically i don't think they will feel they can beat an Sl team when it comes to the million pound match.

[Bulliac]

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:48 am  

melly88 wrote:

With Salford winning big and us losing big I feel helps us in a strange way. Salford could naturally see this as an easy day at the office and understandably.... Us on the other hand surely can't perform that bad 2 weeks in a row!

I will go for us by 4 points... It will go to the wire!

That is the only hope, imo.

Are they going to feel the pressure is off and just come and enjoy themselves - or even better go back to the infighting which has blighted their whole season? Let's hope the doctor tries to impose some more unwanted solutions and takes their minds off the game.....

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:59 am  

I don't think Leigh are necessarily going backwards, but I do feel the last two games have been a bit of reality check for them. They've had a brilliant campaign in the league this season and naturally, a team looks better when they're scoring 60 points every week. Some of their fans have gone into the Super 8s believing that top 3 is very achievable and that top 5 is a certainty. It's not really worked out that way. They were comfortably beating Hull KR and poor tactics cost them, though Rovers were much improved in the second half. I didn't watch the Salford v Leigh match, but I imagine it played out similar to our match against Wakefield; the score-lines were almost identical.

It's the same for ourselves. We looked good in the Sheffield match and I went into the Wakefield match thinking we could get a result. A win against Wakefield and I think top 3 could have been possible. But we just didn't turn up on the day. Their ruck speed and their aggression in the pack killed us in the first 10 minutes, and we gave Tim Smith far too much time on the ball. Whether that was down to poor tactics, or whether we were shell-shocked from the way Wakefield started, I don't know. If there was one thing we couldn't handle, it was the speed at which Wakefield were playing. The step up in ruck speed and energy compared to the first 23 rounds of the season was evident, and we were 30-0 down before we knew what was happening.

Against Salford, our only hope is that they go into the game over-confident and relaxed, and that we come out the blocks fired up, which I think we will. I think whatever happens, Salford will ultimately have too much quality and will run away with the game in the last 20 minutes or so, like Hull KR did to us in the Challenge Cup. With Leigh being at home against Wakefield, they might be able to sneak a result. If they do, and we lose to Salford, our chances are looking grim.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:22 am  

BullCharge wrote:

...But we just didn't turn up on the day. Their ruck speed and their aggression in the pack killed us in the first 10 minutes, and we gave Tim Smith far too much time on the ball. Whether that was down to poor tactics, or whether we were shell-shocked from the way Wakefield started, I don't know. If there was one thing we couldn't handle, it was the speed at which Wakefield were playing. The step up in ruck speed and energy compared to the first 23 rounds of the season was evident, and we were 30-0 down before we knew what was happening.
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I finally made myself watch the first half again, and this just confirms my impression that it was nothing much to do with any great Wakey ruck speed at all. Wakey played good but not great, the overwhelmingly biggest issue was that we came out for whatever reason not ready to do the work. They played with urgency and determination, but we stood about. Our defence has developed into a pretty good unit in the second half of the regular season for the most part, but against Wakey, all that was forgotten and critically we showed no great desire to get the man halted and on the ground. I am talking about our pack. It may as well not have been on the field.

It was certainly a case of the Bulls being slow, lazy, lethargic and disorganised. We allowed them to play. We should have been in their faces and aggressive and we simply weren't. Our pack was simply overrun, and it shouldn't have been, but if you won't make the effort to muscle up and hit them, instead stand back and watch, then you'll see exactly what we saw. Against anybody.

Do the same as me and watch it again. It looks as if we were playing to a new rule not to get within 20 metres of Tim Smith. It is dire.

I simply don't understand how we could have descended to that mode.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:48 am  

Leigh have lost their opening two games but they have hardly laid down and died, or 'peaked too soon'. They should have beaten Rovers were it not for some dumb plays in their own 20 and some dumb props conceding back to back penalties.
Then against Salford they had at least 3 tries disallowed that could very well have been awarded had a video ref been available. The final scoreline at Salford flattered the home side somewhat imo.

Rowley will get his side fired up on Saturday and they will have a good go. I think a lot swings on what Wakefield side turns up - if they can keep their completion rate and error count at the same levels they were against us then it may well be too much for Leigh again, but a few quick Leigh scores could put the cat well and truly amongst the pigeons.

I am really torn as to who I want to win that game on Saturday. Obviously for our own personal chances of promotion, we need Wakey to win. But part of me would also like to see a championship side gain promotion this year at Wakefield's expense, and if it's not us then I'd like Leigh to get a shot in SL.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:24 pm  

The annoying thing about Saturday is I still believe we have a very handy team that are capable of beating a lower SL team.
I also don't see Wakey as a good team. I go through their players and there are many that I wouldn't be impressed if we had signed them. Would we have been whooping with joy if we had signed Lee Smith?

No, we are not a bad team but we are a team who are playing very poor rugby and have been for most of the season apart from the occasional 20 minutes which has papered over the cracks.
I would still go back to Wakey in that £1m game - with a full team and feel that we do have a real chance if Jimmy could do what he is paid to do - Bloody get all 17 players up for it - just for once!