Re: Attendances : Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:28 pm  

Bull Mania wrote:

Attendances in SL are pretty pathetic at the moment (and not just the easy targets like Hudds)

Salford got 3k against Wakey, Widnes got 4.5k the other week against Hudds and Cas got 5.5k against Wigan. Cas was the most worrying for me as that was a stand out fixture.

If the Giants got any of those attendances for those fixtures, social media and the forums would go in the meltdown.

now now dont go talking sense its only the giants! stick last weeks 5.5k inside castleford or wakeys ground and no one mentions a thing

Re: Attendances : Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:26 am  

Salford reduced the entrance fee for their game. That helped didn't it.

Re: Attendances : Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:18 am  

I'm sure it did. Anything for sale, there is a sliding scale. The cheaper you pitch the price the more takers, and vice versa. It's not an unlimited scale, and if discounting, the trick is to sell at a price where the loss per item amounts to less than the extra income from extra sales.

As for the "what if", though, you'll never know, not really. You can make various comparisons etc. but ultimately there is no way of knowing how much better or worse off you actually would have been had you charged X instead of Y.

We at the Bulls are in pretty much the same position with regard to ticket prices. I suppose we work out how much income minimum we need from tickets, then set a price which we guess will raise that total, sit back and hope for the best. The problem is, we may not get the income level we wanted, but that doesn't mean the price set was wrong - it still could have been the optimum price to maximise income; as I say, there's no way of actually knowing for a fact.

What I do know is that Peter Deakin would never have done it. What they should do is think up ways that will make people think there is value in coming. If all you do is discount the tickets, then instead of bigging up your product and tryig to make it a must-see event, you're basically admitting your product was overpriced? The most profitable gigs are the ones where for whatever reason, the tickets are hot tickets, everybody wants one. It's not an exact comparison, but all Adele gigs are full, even though many in there are paying £500 or £1000 or more for tickets. That's ludicrous but if it is worth it to a punter who has a grand to part with it for that reason, then its his money. OTOH if the next evening they had Marwan Koukash singing the same set, the venue would be empty, even if tickets were free.

Re: Attendances : Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:25 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

... It's not an exact comparison, but all Adele gigs are full, even though many in there are paying £500 or £1000 or more for tickets. That's ludicrous but if it is worth it to a punter who has a grand to part with it for that reason, then its his money. OTOH if the next evening they had Marwan Koukash singing the same set, the venue would be empty, even if tickets were free.

The difference being with Marwan they're Chasing Payments. (A pun for the aficionado there).

Re: Attendances : Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:28 am  

Discounting is a road to oblivion, your ST offer a few years ago is testament to that. As pointed out perceived value is the key, we don't have the best product in the Championship as we are second tier so we must be creative to achieve perceived value.

[Bulliac]

Re: Attendances : Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:33 am  

brearley84 wrote:

now now dont go talking sense its only the giants! stick last weeks 5.5k inside castleford or wakeys ground and no one mentions a thing

It isn't just a case of looking up the figures though.

Watch on TV and see 5K in either Weldon Rd or Belle Vue and it looks like a decent crowd as they are spread out and the grounds are quite compact - 5K in a larger all seater just looks like a furniture exhibition with empty seats almost as far as the eye can see. To be right, it looks pretty poor in wide open spaces like Odsal too, but the worst looking area there is the stand, with all the empty seats, and it looks all the worse on TV.

Re: Attendances : Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:24 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

It isn't just a case of looking up the figures though.

Watch on TV and see 5K in either Weldon Rd or Belle Vue and it looks like a decent crowd as they are spread out and the grounds are quite compact - 5K in a larger all seater just looks like a furniture exhibition with empty seats almost as far as the eye can see. To be right, it looks pretty poor in wide open spaces like Odsal too, but the worst looking area there is the stand, with all the empty seats, and it looks all the worse on TV.

thats my point.

what was castleford v widnes attendance lastnight??? cant be located

Re: Attendances : Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:47 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

thats my point.

what was castleford v widnes attendance lastnight??? cant be located

Says 4968 on Widnes website

Re: Attendances : Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:54 pm  

ATS1 wrote:

Says 4968 on Widnes website

That's what they gave out on Sky at the end of the game too. Widnes' lowest attendance of the season I believe. Thursday night Rugby for you.

[Bulliac]

Re: Attendances : Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:01 pm  

Thursday is a rubbish night for sport, but Sky are paying for it, so I guess it's the piper is playing where the money is.