Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:35 pm  

bringbackjimmy wrote:

I suppose the naiive questions looking at these interesting pieces of info, are: What was the pattern of the pivotal roles for the 6 games we've managed to win? Was there any reward for consistency? Yes, the team has been changed around all season long, but I wonder what the strongest starting line up would be for the final games of this sad season - of the players remaining and fit ! AND are they actually good enough to help win the matches remaining?

Round 3 (vs. Swinton) - Thomas, Pryce, Keyes, Moore
Round 4 (vs. Toulouse) - Thomas, Pryce, Lilley, Moore

Round 6 (vs. Batley) - Thomas, Pryce, Smith, Moore
Round 7 (vs. Dewsbury) - Campbell, Lilley, Keyes, Hallas

Round 9 (vs. Sheffield) - Thomas, Pryce, Lilley, Moore

Round 19 (vs. Oldham) - Thomas, Lilley, Keyes, Moore

Some consistency but at the same time it coincides with the pack. Rounds 3 and 4 were Larroyer's first two games which freed up Roche to prop and Kirk to the bench. Round 4 was Dan Murray's first game for us which allowed him to take Halafihi's place on the bench, further strengthening us.

Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:36 pm  

Just for the purpose of stats;

Has anyone calculated Beatties win rate versus Tooveys for the Bulls (albeit Toovey may have had more than a say in things when Beattie was playing front man)

Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:16 pm  

Smack him Jimmy wrote:

Just for the purpose of stats;

Has anyone calculated Beatties win rate versus Tooveys for the Bulls (albeit Toovey may have had more than a say in things when Beattie was playing front man)

Beattie was never in charge, so it's a pointless stat. He was only the "head coach" for the purposes of not being done for Visa breaches.

Allegedly (there, that should cover me....)

Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:49 am  

HamsterChops wrote:

Beattie was never in charge, so it's a pointless stat. He was only the "head coach" for the purposes of not being done for Visa breaches.

Allegedly (there, that should cover me....)

Thanks for the response Hammy, pointless, but thanks anyway

Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:01 am  

For ease, I've just counted League games (bit more time I would have counted cup games too)

Toovey in "official charge" since round 18 = 6 games (+ last week against Tools) = 7 games ; 1 win = 14% win rate

Beattie as "front man only" 17 rounds; 5 wins = 29% win rate.

So Toovey stepping into "official" role produced worse results. Maybe Beattie had more impact than we thought.
And before Hammy chirps up - yes I know Toovey was (allegedly) coaching from behind Beattie but only the players know how much Beattie actually influenced those early wins

Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:08 am  

Smack him Jimmy wrote:

For ease, I've just counted League games (bit more time I would have counted cup games too)

Toovey in "official charge" since round 18 = 6 games (+ last week against Tools) = 7 games ; 1 win = 14% win rate

Beattie as "front man only" 17 rounds; 5 wins = 29% win rate.

So Toovey stepping into "official" role produced worse results. Maybe Beattie had more impact than we thought.
And before Hammy chirps up - yes I know Toovey was (allegedly) coaching from behind Beattie but only the players know how much Beattie actually influenced those early wins

I'm gonna chirp up anyway

Toovey was actually on the pitch during the warm ups. From a very very early time. He was the one giving the orders from the sidelines (watch the Summer Bash game back if you're unsure). He was the one taking training (see training photos around the time). There is zero difference as far as the players and team go with regards to him being in official charge and on a "holiday visa".

The point is, I don't think it's fair to suggest that it's been worse "since he took over officially" from your stat. He took over officially at the start of the season, regardless of what was reported in public and to the visa folks. If you're gonna judge Toovey on his results, good or bad, you judge him from when he arrived in the country.

[Bulliac]

Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:36 am  

Hope none of the bods from the Border Agency read these forums.....

Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:37 am  

Never mind them, who was this lady at the top of the banking on Sunday?

Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:51 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Never mind them, who was this lady at the top of the banking on Sunday?

Nigel Wood observing his pet club© in fancy dress?

Re: Statisticians ASSEMBLE : Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:48 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

I'm gonna chirp up anyway

Toovey was actually on the pitch during the warm ups. From a very very early time. He was the one giving the orders from the sidelines (watch the Summer Bash game back if you're unsure). He was the one taking training (see training photos around the time). There is zero difference as far as the players and team go with regards to him being in official charge and on a "holiday visa".

The point is, I don't think it's fair to suggest that it's been worse "since he took over officially" from your stat. He took over officially at the start of the season, regardless of what was reported in public and to the visa folks. If you're gonna judge Toovey on his results, good or bad, you judge him from when he arrived in the country.

Yep you're right Hammy, I was just trying to see if I could find some reason for us being so feckin shoite this season - we've tried blaming Green, Nige, Bulls players, previous admin, RFL, -12, other clubs, Admin 1,2,3 etc - I think the only ones we cant blame are ourselves the fans, unless you count not buying beer in the ground as a potential cause of our shoitness