[Bullseye]

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:04 pm  

Dead right Stul.

Any coach would've struggled with the odds we've been given this season. No pre season. Side full of kids. Loan players coming and going. Umpteen half back partnerships. Injuries to signings as soon as they appear. I could go on but we all know this.

It's so much of a handicap it's impossible to judge Toovey. He's had it rougher than Cummins had, rougher than any coach I can remember in over 30 years.

I suspect he's in the dark about his future as much as anyone and he won't wait around. I also suspect ChaLo aren't going to say anything publically until the clubs and RFL confirm what's happening in 2018. Remember when Mark Moore went public on us not having a points deduction and was then promptly dropped in it by the RFL? I bet the same thing is going on here. Chalmers will keep mum until the RFL announce otherwise.

In the meantime we'll hear nowt. Players and coaches will be left to make their own minds up. But back on the topic I think I'd keep Toovey but I suspect he'll go unless he gets some kind of clarity on the future.

The longer it's unclear the harder it is to recruit for 2018.

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:07 pm  

I'd say it depends what the management are planning on...
if it's bringing some quality players in and aiming on doing a less funded "Toronto" i'd say yes keep Toovey.

If its going part time and battling through league 1 then into championship with a Long term approach i'd say No, bring in a John Kear style tried and tested champ coach who will know the Leagues and some players.. and will cost less.

I was personally hoping for some sort of unveiling of Koukash as part owner this year in order to buy our survival, I don't Think that is happening so option B is the best approach and we will just have to resign our self to the fact we will never win the world club challenge again.

Although just actually been mildly entertaining to watch might get me back at Odsal next year.

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:41 pm  

Yes for me! Give him a chance with his own settled team

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:46 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Dead right Stul.

Any coach would've struggled with the odds we've been given this season. No pre season. Side full of kids. Loan players coming and going. Umpteen half back partnerships. Injuries to signings as soon as they appear. I could go on but we all know this.

It's so much of a handicap it's impossible to judge Toovey. He's had it rougher than Cummins had, rougher than any coach I can remember in over 30 years.

I suspect he's in the dark about his future as much as anyone and he won't wait around. I also suspect ChaLo aren't going to say anything publically until the clubs and RFL confirm what's happening in 2018. Remember when Mark Moore went public on us not having a points deduction and was then promptly dropped in it by the RFL? I bet the same thing is going on here. Chalmers will keep mum until the RFL announce otherwise.

In the meantime we'll hear nowt. Players and coaches will be left to make their own minds up. But back on the topic I think I'd keep Toovey but I suspect he'll go unless he gets some kind of clarity on the future.

The longer it's unclear the harder it is to recruit for 2018.

Haven't seen anything to say that we have had any plans or tactics this year and yes I know he has only had his visa for a month(lol). Not sure that next year will be any less of a struggle with a large raft of new signings, unknown grounds and teams, and all this with another drop in the standard of refereeing. Maybe we need someone with some kind of knowledge of the English game.

[Bulliac]

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:47 pm  

bowlingboy wrote:

I'd say it depends what the management are planning on...
if it's bringing some quality players in and aiming on doing a less funded "Toronto" i'd say yes keep Toovey.

If its going part time and battling through league 1 then into championship with a Long term approach i'd say No, bring in a John Kear style tried and tested champ coach who will know the Leagues and some players.. and will cost less.

I was personally hoping for some sort of unveiling of Koukash as part owner this year in order to buy our survival, I don't Think that is happening so option B is the best approach and we will just have to resign our self to the fact we will never win the world club challenge again.

Although just actually been mildly entertaining to watch might get me back at Odsal next year.

I can't imagine Geoff is on big bucks, to be honest. Firstly because we're simply just not a 'big bucks' organisation and secondly because I don't think Toovey is that big a draw after his time in charge at Manly. He won a championship, fair enough but overall he was hardly a great big rip roaring success. I doubt we were in any auction to get him here. Favour to an old buddy, maybe?

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:55 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

I can't imagine Geoff is on big bucks, to be honest. Firstly because we're simply just not a 'big bucks' organisation and secondly because I don't think Toovey is that big a draw after his time in charge at Manly. He won a championship, fair enough but overall he was hardly a great big rip roaring success. I doubt we were in any auction to get him here. Favour to an old buddy, maybe?

I hope he stays and sees the job through.
I was in Perth last month and went to the Manly / Warriors game. A group of diehard Manly fans had travelled from Sydney . When they recognised my Bulls shirt they started chatting. First question was " How's Toovs doing"? . Clear they think of him as a legend because of his time as a player .
More importantly all of them rated him as a coach and thought he was badly treated.
He did have strong links with Lowe but he had no need to come. He is a qualified Charterd Accountant, he had a regular spot on their RL shows , and he was a Board member of their equivalent to the Automobile Assn.
All those Manly fans agreed he would have come because his first love is League and as one of them said " he's a stubborn and determined little b*****d".

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:07 pm  

I'd be interested to hear why those who want Toovey to stay think that he is even remotely qualified for the job that he'd be required to do in League One?

That's a genuine question. I genuinely don't understand why people would think he's the right person for the job.
For the same reasons I don't fancy Toovey in the job, I wouldn't want Wayne Bennet either!

Horses for courses IMO

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:41 pm  

Bullnorthern wrote:

I hope he stays and sees the job through.
I was in Perth last month and went to the Manly / Warriors game. A group of diehard Manly fans had travelled from Sydney . When they recognised my Bulls shirt they started chatting. First question was " How's Toovs doing"? . Clear they think of him as a legend because of his time as a player .
More importantly all of them rated him as a coach and thought he was badly treated.
He did have strong links with Lowe but he had no need to come. He is a qualified Charterd Accountant, he had a regular spot on their RL shows , and he was a Board member of their equivalent to the Automobile Assn.
All those Manly fans agreed he would have come because his first love is League and as one of them said he's a stubborn and determined little b*****d".

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Not wanting to cause an argument, but did not us fans think the same about Jimmy " he's a stubborn and determined little b*****d"and unfortunately that did not work out. I hope if he does stay he can adjust to coaching lesser players than he has been used to.

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:46 pm  

TBH think until club come out and make a statement as to what their plans are for next year and what level of funding is available then its difficult to say whether Tooveys right man for job or not. Silence from club at moment is deafening.

[Bullseye]

Re: Geoff Toovey - yes or no for next season : Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:49 pm  

I'm not clear on the rationale that "an English coach" would automatically be better. Especially as we don't know who that would be.

Toovey has experience of playing and coaching at the highest level. Normally that would make him favourite for the job. I think some are judging his ability solely on performances this year and not looking atvthe bigger picture enough. We could have had Sir Peter Fox in charge this year and we'd still have gone down. Toovey's win ratio in the NRL is better than most.

Unless we can be certain of getting anyone better we should try and keep him. The last thing we need is more uncertainty and change. We need stability.