Re: Double movement : Sun May 12, 2019 5:08 pm  

As a fax fan watching I was even screaming double moment. My thoughts were had this happened further back in field and the player passed the ball I bet the ref would have penalised both instances and the one today. The momentum rule used to be as long as u didn't make a second movement with your arm. Guess they have relaxed it then?

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Re: Double movement : Mon May 13, 2019 11:47 am  

gizempo wrote:

As a fax fan watching I was even screaming double moment. My thoughts were had this happened further back in field and the player passed the ball I bet the ref would have penalised both instances and the one today. The momentum rule used to be as long as u didn't make a second movement with your arm. Guess they have relaxed it then?

It would seem so - one of those 'interpretations', I guess.

Thing is that the RFL can get away with anything as, IIRC - "If in the opinion of the referee" is the first line of every law in the book. If the ref thought that is what happened then that's what happened - whether the video is showing otherwise or not.

Re: Double movement : Tue May 14, 2019 7:03 pm  

My initial reaction (in real time) to both was a double movement....I am yet to be convinced otherwise.
Just glad the result wasn't affected on the back of it.

On the other hand if Leeds had stuck to what looked like their game plan initially (speedy rucks and momentum) it could have been a different result! Thank god they didn't!

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Re: Double movement : Wed May 15, 2019 9:30 am  

Wigan Bull wrote:

My initial reaction (in real time) to both was a double movement....I am yet to be convinced otherwise.
Just glad the result wasn't affected on the back of it.

On the other hand if Leeds had stuck to what looked like their game plan initially (speedy rucks and momentum) it could have been a different result! Thank god they didn't!

...and the off-loads. Not sure if they decided to stop or we got better at stopping them, if it was the latter then I wish we'd got better earlier 'cos I was having kittens every tackle.

Re: Double movement : Wed May 15, 2019 3:30 pm  

Totally agree. Although I think the double movement rule should be scrapped to the extent of if a players body does not move and just promotes the ball from tackling position. Only a personal opinion mind, and not talking about the two incidents in our game.

I can see argument for both sides, if a winger chases from the other side after a break and produces a great last ditch tackle should it be rewarded if the attacker promotes the ball carrying arm? How i see it is more emphasis shoudl be made on stopping the vreak in the first place and the emphasis should definitely be on the defender to stop it. If the attacker crawls forward or anything then agreed. But promoting the ball from a stationary tackle for me should be allowed

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Re: Double movement : Thu May 16, 2019 9:35 am  

Errm, well yeah. We can argue about rule changes forever and a day and I'd guess there are quite a few variations which might work just as well, or even better than the laws as written, but, whilst we have to allow for how referees perceive the on-field position to be, once we've decided on the laws we really ought to stick to them, as written and not allow referees to go into 'mission creep' mode.

Going back as far as the old 'feeding the scrum' rules (and maybe even further, but that's as far back as I go...) the RFL have had a habit of keeping rules in the book and changing 'interpretations'. The law about feeding the ball down the centre of the tunnel was still there when the ball had been fed into the second row for 30 years and we wonder why folk don't understand the game.