Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:13 am  

I've seen some straw clutching in my lifetime.....

Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:13 am  

Hudd-Shay wrote:

I suppose an elbow to the chin of a player lying on his back is o.k. then?

Er, no. As was clearly stated by the disciplinary.

Why would you think it was OK?

Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:14 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: I suppose Stage 2 of the debacle, in true double-whammy style, was that it should have been a penalty to the bulls in the first place, for a blatant offside. Hey ho. It would be churlish to point out that minus 8 points off Halifax's score could conceivably have made a difference, so I won't mention it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lq8vN9UJdj5jRKwd_EFX4HjAX45W-8TI/view?usp=sharing Why not pause it when the ball is on his foot? He's already kicked it in that frame and even there it's probably given onside by the video ref. I think he was onside for the kick personally.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: I suppose Stage 2 of the debacle, in true double-whammy style, was that it should have been a penalty to the bulls in the first place, for a blatant offside. Hey ho. It would be churlish to point out that minus 8 points off Halifax's score could conceivably have made a difference, so I won't mention it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lq8vN9UJdj5jRKwd_EFX4HjAX45W-8TI/view?usp=sharing Why not pause it when the ball is on his foot? He's already kicked it in that frame and even there it's probably given onside by the video ref. I think he was onside for the kick personally.

Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:15 am  

Mr Dog wrote:

I've seen some straw clutching in my lifetime.....

Very nice for you. Now run along and leave the adults to chat, there's a good lad

Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:18 am  

Nothus wrote:

Why not pause it when the ball is on his foot? He's already kicked it in that frame and even there it's probably given onside by the video ref.
I think he was onside for the kick personally.

Looks a yard off to me, I did freeze the Bulls footage as exactly on the kick as possible, but if anyone has anything better then I'd love to see it. I'm not posting that as some kind of incontestable proof. Is there anything better? Apparently the Beeb didn't have any angle at all?

Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:19 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Looks a yard off to me, I did freeze the Bulls footage as exactly on the kick as possible, but if anyone has anything better then I'd love to see it. I'm not posting that as some kind of incontestable proof. Is there anything better? Apparently the Beeb didn't have any angle at all?

Weirdly the bbc footage does actually show the kick from the other side of the field, it's a brilliant angle to tell if he's onside or not. But this was shown after the try was given and not during the review process.

Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:27 pm  

Nothus wrote:

Weirdly the bbc footage does actually show the kick from the other side of the field, it's a brilliant angle to tell if he's onside or not. But this was shown after the try was given and not during the review process.

I noticed that as well. Was shown in the roundup at the end of the game, and you could see Tyrer was well offside.

Still, water under the bridge now....

Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:30 pm  

Is there a definition of "in the act of scoring", i.e. does the player have to be in contact with the ground in order to be "in the act of scoring" or can this be extended to the point at which the player takes possession of the ball? That seems to be the real debate here. The video ref in giving the 8 pointer must be assuming that once Tyrer takes possession of the ball he is immediately in the act of scoring. It was at this point, in possession and in the air that he was fouled. Based on that assumption then the 8 point try is surely the correct decision. It's quite a grey area. I called it an 8 pointer from the terrace though naturally everyone disagreed with me

Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:01 pm  

Hudd-Shay wrote:

I suppose an elbow to the chin of a player lying on his back is o.k. then?

After the ball was dead that. Obviously not read or know the rules

Re: Penalty try : Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:05 pm  

Nothus wrote:

Weirdly the bbc footage does actually show the kick from the other side of the field, it's a brilliant angle to tell if he's onside or not. But this was shown after the try was given and not during the review process.

Might have been a different case had sky had the balls to put our game on. I think it shows their disregard for our level more than anything.

And yes FA makes valid points with rules etc as it’s inconsistent.

Agree with what he said but I think had we on same performance fax could have felt hard done by. Created more than us, more energetic than us, can’t keep blaming Easter and Toronto and Leeds for our lack of energy for me