Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:17 am  

debaser wrote:

It's not good for us. We could really do without Dewsbury starting winning under a new coach...

...mind you, we should be ok for a while, if Karl is in charge.

A tough call for a promising young kid. Toovey or Pryce? Mmmmm.
'Karl, I can't be assed training tonight, Made in Chelsea is on'.
'OK son. Would like some ice cream?'.

Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:48 am  

Duckman wrote:

I keep hearing this kind of whisper, but as much as I suspect it's true that some chairmen might like us and hkr back in sl I just don't see that kind of shake up to the system being brought in for next season.

The rfl are reviewing the system, they have updated the minimum ground standards for sl -5000 capacity and min 2000 seats I believe, and there seems to be some talk of requiring a minimum attendance of 6500?! (no idea how they'll make that work) plus with Toulouse and Toronto on the up and wakey playing who knows where next season there is plenty of room for conspiracy theory's and wishes, but I don't see us in sl any time soon.

As a side note, with the rfl rules it goes on to state that clubs competing in the middle 8's need to meet the minimum standard or have aggreed dispensation before the 8's start or they "will be deemed to have finished 6th or lower in the 8's no matter how many games they win." Or words to that effect. So clubs like London wont be allowed to make the mpg or get promoted as far as I read it without rfl dispensation, how many championship clubs meet the new sl minimum ground standards? And who would get dispensation?

Have you got a link to this? I'm surprised there isn't more being made about this in the press, perhaps nobody has bothered to read it properly yet

As for us going straight back into SL, I can't see it happening. Imagine the reactions at Fax/Fev etc. if we were catapulted straight into the top division after all the drama we've just been through. Don't get me wrong it would be hilarious, but also completely unfair.

Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:11 am  

Nothus wrote: Have you got a link to this? I'm surprised there isn't more being made about this in the press, perhaps nobody has bothered to read it properly yet As for us going straight back into SL, I can't see it happening. Imagine the reactions at Fax/Fev etc. if we were catapulted straight into the top division after all the drama we've just been through. Don't get me wrong it would be hilarious, but also completely unfair. Ha, I knew someone would ask, this is probably my worst case of thread drift ever (mods feel free to shift to a new thread if you'd prefer), but the articles from the relevant rfl rules are below; surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the London board. Although to be fair there is also the usual RFL get out clause to all this of dispensation as the rfl see fit, but you can see this causing certain SL and champ clubs pause for thought at least; http://media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Section%20A2%20Minimum%20Standards_FINAL%20PDF.pdf A2:5 For a Club to be eligible for promotion to the Super League or Championship (as applicable) for any Season its ground must meet the Facility Standards of the Super League or Championship (as applicable) or the Board must have granted a dispensation in accordance with A2:3 above by, in each case, the Friday of Round 23 of Super League/Championship in the previous Season (being 22 July 2016 for the 2017 Season). For the avoidance of doubt a dispensation may include an extension of time beyond the date above to complete any work necessary to meet the applicable Facility Standards. A2:6 Any Championship Club(s) which qualify for the Super 8s Qualifiers but which are not eligible for promotion to the Super League (due to not meeting Facility Standards) shall be entitled to participate in the Super 8s Qualifiers but if, at the end of the Super 8s Qualifiers, any of the Club(s) are 5th or higher in the Qualifiers league: (a) they shall be deemed to have finished 6th (and 7th if there are 2 such Clubs and 8th if there are 3 such Clubs) for the purpose of determining which Clubs are promoted and/or play in the 4th v 5th Play Off Match; but (b) shall be considered to be the highest placed Championship Club(s) (in order of finishing position) for the purpose of determining distributions in the Championship for the following Season. http://media.therfl.co.uk/docs/FACILITYSTANDARDS2016%20final%20PDF.pdf Capacity SL – MIN 5000 Champ – MIN 2000 Seats (permanent) SL- MIN 2000 Champ – MIN 750 Security of tenure – 5yrs So to sum up, if you are playing in the middle 8's and don't meet the ground standards of 5000 capacity and 2000 seats by July 2016 and you don't get dispensation from the RFL, you cant get promoted or even participate in the MPG as far as I can tell. Which current Champ clubs does that exclude from the middle 8 party? edit, by my reckoning (quickly done via wiki so could easily be wrong ) half of the current championship are not eligible for the MPG without RFL dispensation; London - only 3000 capacity Swinton - only 3387 capacity Oldham - only 1200 seats Dewsbury - not enough seats Toulouse - only 4000 capacity Sheffield - no 5 yr security of tenure plus FWIW wakey wouldn't meet the standards either on security of tenure alone at the moment having given notice to leave BV with no announced destination, but I suspect any current SL club would get dispensation and their situation appears very much in flux to say the least.

Nothus wrote: Have you got a link to this? I'm surprised there isn't more being made about this in the press, perhaps nobody has bothered to read it properly yet As for us going straight back into SL, I can't see it happening. Imagine the reactions at Fax/Fev etc. if we were catapulted straight into the top division after all the drama we've just been through. Don't get me wrong it would be hilarious, but also completely unfair. Ha, I knew someone would ask, this is probably my worst case of thread drift ever (mods feel free to shift to a new thread if you'd prefer), but the articles from the relevant rfl rules are below; surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the London board. Although to be fair there is also the usual RFL get out clause to all this of dispensation as the rfl see fit, but you can see this causing certain SL and champ clubs pause for thought at least; http://media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Section%20A2%20Minimum%20Standards_FINAL%20PDF.pdf A2:5 For a Club to be eligible for promotion to the Super League or Championship (as applicable) for any Season its ground must meet the Facility Standards of the Super League or Championship (as applicable) or the Board must have granted a dispensation in accordance with A2:3 above by, in each case, the Friday of Round 23 of Super League/Championship in the previous Season (being 22 July 2016 for the 2017 Season). For the avoidance of doubt a dispensation may include an extension of time beyond the date above to complete any work necessary to meet the applicable Facility Standards. A2:6 Any Championship Club(s) which qualify for the Super 8s Qualifiers but which are not eligible for promotion to the Super League (due to not meeting Facility Standards) shall be entitled to participate in the Super 8s Qualifiers but if, at the end of the Super 8s Qualifiers, any of the Club(s) are 5th or higher in the Qualifiers league: (a) they shall be deemed to have finished 6th (and 7th if there are 2 such Clubs and 8th if there are 3 such Clubs) for the purpose of determining which Clubs are promoted and/or play in the 4th v 5th Play Off Match; but (b) shall be considered to be the highest placed Championship Club(s) (in order of finishing position) for the purpose of determining distributions in the Championship for the following Season. http://media.therfl.co.uk/docs/FACILITYSTANDARDS2016%20final%20PDF.pdf Capacity SL – MIN 5000 Champ – MIN 2000 Seats (permanent) SL- MIN 2000 Champ – MIN 750 Security of tenure – 5yrs So to sum up, if you are playing in the middle 8's and don't meet the ground standards of 5000 capacity and 2000 seats by July 2016 and you don't get dispensation from the RFL, you cant get promoted or even participate in the MPG as far as I can tell. Which current Champ clubs does that exclude from the middle 8 party? edit, by my reckoning (quickly done via wiki so could easily be wrong ) half of the current championship are not eligible for the MPG without RFL dispensation; London - only 3000 capacity Swinton - only 3387 capacity Oldham - only 1200 seats Dewsbury - not enough seats Toulouse - only 4000 capacity Sheffield - no 5 yr security of tenure plus FWIW wakey wouldn't meet the standards either on security of tenure alone at the moment having given notice to leave BV with no announced destination, but I suspect any current SL club would get dispensation and their situation appears very much in flux to say the least.

Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:21 am  

I'd say that's worth posting in the VT.
Can't see anything about attendance requirements though? Are they mentioned anywhere?

Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:22 am  

Duckman wrote:

Ha, I knew someone would ask, this is probably my worst case of thread drift ever (mods feel free to shift to a new thread if you'd prefer), but the articles from the relevant rfl rules are below; surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the London board. Although to be fair there is also the usual RFL get out clause to all this of dispensation as the rfl see fit, but you can see this causing certain SL and champ clubs pause for thought at least;

Without re-posting all your very interesting detail - I for one had not seen that info!

If this only comes to light at the seasons end - fireworks all round.

You should post this on TotalRL.com and see what reactions you get there!

Thanks for making the effort BTW..

Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:29 am  

Nothus wrote:

I'd say that's worth posting in the VT.
Can't see anything about attendance requirements though? Are they mentioned anywhere?

Not sure I fancy the grief of dipping my toes in the VT
The 6500 average attendance I think was just conjecture or a throw away line in one of many articles about Wakeys situation and the "selling" of a franchise spot that doesn't exist to sell so its probably nothing....for the moment.

Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:31 am  

Errol Stock wrote:

Without re-posting all your very interesting detail - I for one had not seen that info!

If this only comes to light at the seasons end - fireworks all round.

You should post this on TotalRL.com and see what reactions you get there!

Thanks for making the effort BTW..

Definitely think that there should be something about clubs being admitted in alphabetical order in there.

[Bullseye]

Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:34 am  

I've lit the blue touch paper....

Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:35 am  

Errol Stock wrote:

Without re-posting all your very interesting detail - I for one had not seen that info!

If this only comes to light at the seasons end - fireworks all round.

You should post this on TotalRL.com and see what reactions you get there!

Thanks for making the effort BTW..

No worries...I'm between meetings at work today so time to kill, I don't have a Totalrl account but do read it as it seems to have more champ content. I reckon the relevant club chairmen must already know these changes and be accounting for them, so it might be something and nothing.....

Re: Dewsbury (H) : Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:42 am  

Bullseye wrote:

I've lit the blue touch paper....

doh.