Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:21 pm  

Roofaldo wrote: :FRUSRATED: They are investing in the SPORTING VILLAGE. How many times does this need to be said before it sinks into the soft heads of some people in this city? The stadium will only be a small part of the over all scheme This is a link to the Leigh Sport Village. THIS is the sort of thing that the council will be investing in. Sure they will be investing in the area surrounding the stadium, but they will also spend money on Odsal to bring it up to Super League standard as part of the plan. I will never understand why the Bulls are getting this free cash from the Council. Can't you see what will happen? The Bulls will stay at Odsal and get some covers for the terracing at the cost of the taxpayer. City will continue to pay huge amounts of rent and struggle to maintain the VP site. We'll both just continue on struggling forever. On the other hand, Huddersfield have managed to pull it off and both Town and Giants have been benefited massively by the two teams coming together. It's so unbelievably obvious what to do. Get the Coral Window Stadium back off Mr Gibb. Invest a million quid to strengthen pitch and make it a truly state of the art multi-purpose stadium. The remainder of the £15 million airport windfall can then go on redeveloping Richard Dunn and creating excellent training facilities for both clubs. Bingo.

Roofaldo wrote: :FRUSRATED: They are investing in the SPORTING VILLAGE. How many times does this need to be said before it sinks into the soft heads of some people in this city? The stadium will only be a small part of the over all scheme This is a link to the Leigh Sport Village. THIS is the sort of thing that the council will be investing in. Sure they will be investing in the area surrounding the stadium, but they will also spend money on Odsal to bring it up to Super League standard as part of the plan. I will never understand why the Bulls are getting this free cash from the Council. Can't you see what will happen? The Bulls will stay at Odsal and get some covers for the terracing at the cost of the taxpayer. City will continue to pay huge amounts of rent and struggle to maintain the VP site. We'll both just continue on struggling forever. On the other hand, Huddersfield have managed to pull it off and both Town and Giants have been benefited massively by the two teams coming together. It's so unbelievably obvious what to do. Get the Coral Window Stadium back off Mr Gibb. Invest a million quid to strengthen pitch and make it a truly state of the art multi-purpose stadium. The remainder of the £15 million airport windfall can then go on redeveloping Richard Dunn and creating excellent training facilities for both clubs. Bingo.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:05 pm  

tezza_93 wrote:

Sure they will be investing in the area surrounding the stadium, but they will also spend money on Odsal to bring it up to Super League standard as part of the plan. I will never understand why the Bulls are getting this free cash from the Council.

Can't you see what will happen? The Bulls will stay at Odsal and get some covers for the terracing at the cost of the taxpayer. City will continue to pay huge amounts of rent and struggle to maintain the VP site. We'll both just continue on struggling forever. On the other hand, Huddersfield have managed to pull it off and both Town and Giants have been benefited massively by the two teams coming together.

It's so unbelievably obvious what to do. Get the Coral Window Stadium back off Mr Gibb. Invest a million quid to strengthen pitch and make it a truly state of the art multi-purpose stadium. The remainder of the £15 million airport windfall can then go on redeveloping Richard Dunn and creating excellent training facilities for both clubs. Bingo.

You may be a troll - in which case I apologise to everyone else for troll feeding. However, to give the benefit of the doubt, I will try to be as straightforward as possible.

The Council have earmarked £15 million for sports facilities in Odsal.

If the cheapest Odsal Sporting Village plan were to go ahead, I believe that the Council will put this £15 million into a pot of a little over £20 million. In this case there would be no work on the stadium, and the Bulls will therefore not have benefitted from the Council's money. You yourself acknowledge that you have seen a couple of plans in which this is the case.

If the plan that was just rejected had gone ahead, the pot would have been £75 million, and the Bulls would have benefitted considerably. However, the Council's contribution would still have been £15 million. Hence any benefit to the Bulls would have been derived from the private element of the funding.

These are the two extremes of recent proposals - but the Council's involvement would be the same whatever. Take issue with the spending of £15 million of Council money on (non-Bulls-related) sporting facilities if you want, but please don't pretend that the council are giving "free cash" to the Bulls.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:51 pm  

tezza_93 wrote:

On the other hand, Huddersfield have managed to pull it off and both Town and Giants have been benefited massively by the two teams coming together.

Not quite. There was a massive amount of investment took place from public sources. I seem to remember massive protest from Council tax payers elsewhere in Kirklees at the time. Alfred McAlpine ended up sticking loads more in after the council overspent. The Football club also gave up their Leeds Road ground which is now a retail park which paid for a lot.

The Odsal Sporting Village is closer to what happened in Huddersfield than buying Valley Parade and moving everyone into it.

The Galpharm Stadium wouldn't happen in today's financial climate.

The football club have recently bought shares in the ground from Davy (who's on his way out of Huddersfield Town) and the council but there's some sort of ongoing argument about the transfer of the shares? It's certainly not as clear cut as you think.

It's also a venue that's open and used every day of the week including a multiplex cinema, restaurant and bar space, a leisure centre, a hotel, a golf driving range and plans to build space for shops.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:55 pm  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

Not quite. There was a massive amount of investment took place from public sources. I seem to remember massive protest from Council tax payers elsewhere in Kirklees at the time. Alfred McAlpine ended up sticking loads more in after the council overspent. The Football club also gave up their Leeds Road ground which is now a retail park which paid for a lot.

The Odsal Sporting Village is closer to what happened in Huddersfield than buying Valley Parade and moving everyone into it.

The Galpharm Stadium wouldn't happen in today's financial climate.

The football club have recently bought shares in the ground from Davy (who's on his way out of Huddersfield Town) and the council but there's some sort of ongoing argument about the transfer of the shares? It's certainly not as clear cut as you think.

It's also a venue that's open and used every day of the week including a multiplex cinema, restaurant and bar space, a leisure centre, a hotel, a golf driving range and plans to build space for shops.

Shame all that total sense and realistic summation is wasted on a closed mind?

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:21 am  

is it just me or has mark lawn made himself look like a numpty with of the cuff coments about bulls should share vp and that we are just a minority sport and they have more through turnstiles.

the only reason city have good crowds are dirt cheap season tickets as bet theyed be lucky to get 6,000 if full price

the other thing i cant get my head round says between 5 and 6 million to buy vp has anyone even asked if gibb would sell and how much he wants

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:01 am  

Minority sport? The Bulls remain one of the biggest fishes in a pond second only to the antipodean pond. Whereas City are a runt of a fish in a fourth-rate puddle.

When people praise VP as a ground what they really mean is it looks to have some imposing metalwork, and colour co-ordinated seats with roofs over the top. "It looks nice innit". But that's just superficial and irrelevant to the actual standards for people attending to watch top class RL. In fact it is a pretty crap ground for RL as amongst a long list of faults, the pitch is way too small, the sectioned-off layout and das SSstewarding removes all fan interaction and indeed you might even get slung out for rising to your feet. I imagine it must be a lot like spending 2 hours in a young offenders institution. The soulless concrete caves that pass for 'bars' are truly awful - they are places nobody would ever go, under any circumstances, ever, were they not attending a match.

Sure the corporate ain't bad but then neither is the Bulls', and so that's pretty irrelevant given the main priority by far is your bread and butter hard core fans, not your prawn sandwich munchers because the latter would be equally happy in any carpeted and heated accommodation.

Also a big laugh at those numpties who despite the experience of decades of processions of struggling and failing football clubs seem to genuinely believe that all City have to do is get the Bulls into VP and suddenly they - alone in the history of the game - will become a financially thriving club with all its problems solved at a stroke.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:59 am  

On this minority sport stuff... It's all a long time ago now, and unlikely to be repeated any time soon, but City have been in the Premiership for two seasons on the trot. That alone means they have put the name Bradford in more people's heads than Bulls / Northern have over the combined previous 100 years.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:15 pm  

Yeah, but closely in conjunction with words like cr.p and sh.t.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:45 pm  

Looks like Lawn has a real axe to grind with the council. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/bradford_city/8634539.stm On the prospect of moving out of Bradford for training to Leeds Univesity "It would have been very nice if Bradford Council had done something, but if they don't offer anything then we have to go where we can go," he added. Make of this what you will but to me he's someone that's done a great job steadying the ship at BCFC and is desperate to turn around the current situation. I'm not a City fan in anyway what so ever but I wouldn't like to see them go under. That said it's down to them really and not the fault of the council or this perceived favouritism shown to the Bulls. The best bet for them would be to lump on to the Odsal Sporting Village but there are the two big obstacles in that Gibbs has them tied to a lease. And more importantly a lot of people died there not that long ago. That said the Council and indeed all parties involved in the OSV must press ahead with the project for the good of the entire city. At least one project has to come off.

Looks like Lawn has a real axe to grind with the council. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/bradford_city/8634539.stm On the prospect of moving out of Bradford for training to Leeds Univesity "It would have been very nice if Bradford Council had done something, but if they don't offer anything then we have to go where we can go," he added. Make of this what you will but to me he's someone that's done a great job steadying the ship at BCFC and is desperate to turn around the current situation. I'm not a City fan in anyway what so ever but I wouldn't like to see them go under. That said it's down to them really and not the fault of the council or this perceived favouritism shown to the Bulls. The best bet for them would be to lump on to the Odsal Sporting Village but there are the two big obstacles in that Gibbs has them tied to a lease. And more importantly a lot of people died there not that long ago. That said the Council and indeed all parties involved in the OSV must press ahead with the project for the good of the entire city. At least one project has to come off.

Re: Odsal Sporting Village : Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:20 pm  

what I found particularly telling in radio interview with lawn last night was bit about season tickets. basically they've only sold 7k so far and if they dont reach their target of 10k in before deadline (may 8th I think was mentioned) then the cheap tickets will not be repeated next year and the price will rise substantially. The fact that they are no longer prepared to bankroll the cheap ticket scheme, combined with their need to spend significantly on re-laying the pitch would suggest that alls not rosy financially at city and they need us to ground share for their continued survival. So if we stick it out and wait for new feasibility study to be done we could find ourselves in situation at end of it where city are coming to us looking to groundshare. They also seem to assume that if the council did buy VP they'd drastically reduce the rent, Which I dont see the council doing as they would treat it as a business investment and charge the going rate to both city and bulls. Also a bit disingenous the way an extra 1.5mil would cover any pitch modifications and the re-laying when the fact is if we did agree to a ground share it would be as equal partners so there'd be a significant amount needed to re-brand the stadium i.e two stands worth of seating to change to bulls colours, new signage etc.