Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:36 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

Just stick to calling over 35% of the country cretins, muppets and racists. That's perfectly acceptable.

Not my country.

We got royally shafted.

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:43 pm  

Glad the referendum is over. For what it's worth, I voted out, but would have gracefully accepted defeat if the 'In' side won.

I watched the interview with Sturgeon this morning, very emotional, and i'm sure she will get a huge backing, but the Scottish vote wasn't as one sided as everyone is making out. There were 1 or 2 voting to leave the EU. also, I don't even think there is a guarantee that Scotland will get another Referendum. Otherwise it sets a precedent that there will be a Scottish referendum every time something happens that has an impact on Scotland, which isn't viable.

Either way, the dust now needs to settle, we have an interesting couple of years ahead, and the UK will only survive if everyone (In and Out voters) work together for the benefit of the Kingdom.

Also, I don't believe that every 'Out' voter is uneducated or a Racist (I voted out and I am neither), and I have read more social media posts from out voters, containing educated and reasoned arguments, than I did from any 'In' voter.

We now have to work together for the UK to prosper.

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:49 pm  

daveyz999 wrote:

I watched the interview with Sturgeon this morning, very emotional, and i'm sure she will get a huge backing, but the Scottish vote wasn't as one sided as everyone is making out. There were 1 or 2 voting to leave the EU. also, I don't even think there is a guarantee that Scotland will get another Referendum. Otherwise it sets a precedent that there will be a Scottish referendum every time something happens that has an impact on Scotland, which isn't viable.

Let's deal in facts here. "Every Scottish local authority area voted in favour of Remain." That is 100% of the country voted to stay in. 1 or 2 didn't vote to leave. 62% of all the votes cast were for Remain.

So, a 100% win is not one-sided? Tell me then what is?

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:53 pm  

That's the thing with referendums. The agitators agitate until they get one and win it. If you're always at roughly 50% that's how it is.

(Unless you're 50% of a society agitating to join another society, at which point fsck off - because you now need the consent of the rest of the society you're looking to join).

Last night, when the early results came in Farage gave the beginnings of a concession speech, he was already preparing the ground for another one. And there'd have been another after that. It would have gone on and on until the right answer was given, a bit like the repeated efforts to get the EU constitution through.

But a marginal victory the other way is how it is forever. And that's where we are.

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:01 pm  

I now have to reconcile myself to the number of family members who seem to think it was a referendum on the metric system.

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:01 pm  

vbfg wrote:

That's the thing with referendums. The agitators agitate until they get one and win it. If you're always at roughly 50% that's how it is.

(Unless you're 50% of a society agitating to join another society, at which point fsck off - because you now need the consent of the rest of the society you're looking to join).

Last night, when the early results came in Farage gave the beginnings of a concession speech, he was already preparing the ground for another one. And there'd have been another after that. It would have gone on and on until the right answer was given, a bit like the repeated efforts to get the EU constitution through.

But a marginal victory the other way is how it is forever. And that's where we are.

Absolutely spot on. And this is what will happen up here. With all due respect, i think that daveyz666 is being somewhat naive here.

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:14 pm  

It's quite astonishing when you look at places like Barnsley which voted nearly 70% in favour of leaving; a town with much lower than average immigration and one that has benefited from EU-delivered coalfield regeneration. Thatcher screwed them over and now they have Johnson/Gove to look forward to. Plus, with Scotland likely to leave, they'll end up in a permanently Tory country. Truly, turkeys voting for Christmas.

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:19 pm  

bullsonfire wrote:

Plus, with Scotland likely to leave, they'll end up in a permanently Tory country. Truly, turkeys voting for Christmas.

Who will? Us? Or Barnsley?

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:50 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

Let's deal in facts here. "Every Scottish local authority area voted in favour of Remain." That is 100% of the country voted to stay in. 1 or 2 didn't vote to leave. 62% of all the votes cast were for Remain.

So, a 100% win is not one-sided? Tell me then what is?

I thought you were trolling for a minute there, but then though you might be unaware of the actual facts.

The result of the EU referendum is not based on regions, you argument of regions has no relevance to the outcome of the vote. The only fact that mattered in the vote was how many people voted in vs how many people voted out.

The "Facts" are that in Scotland 1,018,322 people voted to leave, 1,661,191 voted to stay.

Not really a 100% win for Stay, more of a 62% win. As I said in the original post, not as clear cut as you are making out.

Like it or not, Scotland contributed to the outcome, with over 1 million votes. If I referred to Scotland as "She" or "Her", would this help? (not a pop at you there ME, more at Sturgeons speech...)

Re: OT - In/Out : Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:10 pm  

vbfg wrote:

Spoilt papers aren't counted so they're effectively in the "did not vote" column.

They were yesterday because when results were given they remarked on reason for spoilt papers.