: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:48 pm  

af wrote:

Nothing's changed since last week. We're rebuilding. That takes time. Years. Not weeks.

They rebuilt Wembley quicker than this

: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:53 pm  

regardless of the score friday nite,i'm proposing we all stay behind after the game in protest to mcnamara been our coach,surely the board will have to listen to us if we all stick together!A nd we all know what excuse is coming after fridays game,well we have alot of injuries at the minute which isn't helping,but theres alot of positives to take from the game!
Come on people lets stick together and force the board into a decision!

: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:59 pm  

af wrote:

Nothing's changed since last week. We're rebuilding. That takes time. Years. Not weeks.

I disagree. Last night was a team without heart & direction.

: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:01 pm  

redamberblackbull wrote:

regardless of the score friday nite,i'm proposing we all stay behind after the game in protest to mcnamara been our coach,surely the board will have to listen to us if we all stick together!A nd we all know what excuse is coming after fridays game,well we have alot of injuries at the minute which isn't helping,but theres alot of positives to take from the game!
Come on people lets stick together and force the board into a decision!

Even better...how about giving them a clear solution to the problem, fully costed and achievable and with the funding in place, so they just need to rubber stamp it?

Of course, if you are just an agent provocateur, this is exactly the kind of action you would want the fans to take...

: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:39 pm  

so what do u suggest?they carry on with mcnamara?because if u have the clubs bests interests at heart u should surely realise mcnamara has to go!i honestly dont think peter hood is man enough to sack him unless the fans start calling for his name!

: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:49 pm  

redamberblackbull wrote:

so what do u suggest?they carry on with mcnamara?because if u have the clubs bests interests at heart u should surely realise mcnamara has to go!i honestly dont think peter hood is man enough to sack him unless the fans start calling for his name!

What I suggest is what I suggested above - don't just call for the coach's head, however justified many may feel such a call to be - put forward a proposal for his replacement that involves both a coach who might want to come and who would be generally acknowledged as an improvement, and the funding to see it happen.

Also, I'd draw your attention to a rather pertinent quote in Bullseye's sig - something like "If you start listening to the fans, you'll soon be sitting with them".

And for that matter, few people get on the board of sports clubs because they are hesitant shrinking violets. Is anyone going to admit the fans were right and they were wrong (regardless of who is right)? Try holding a gun to the head of any club board and all you'll likely do is drive them further into the bunker. Do you want that?

: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:36 pm  

so would u be quite willing to let mcnamara keep his job to the end of the season just to save a few quid?i'm sorry but we must have a few quid still in the pot after missing out on bird!my new coach would be brian mcdermott if he was willing to leave quins!he has a lot history with the bulls,i know mcnamara has but he comes accross as too pally,pally with the players which i dont think is the right thing to do in any professional sport!brian mcdermott certainly isn't that type of guy and i think given a chance he could do well wipping our lazy players into shape and telling them to pull there finger out or they will be shown the door!

: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:43 pm  

I'd be happy to see Paul Cullen take over right now, he would be an improvement.

: Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:10 pm  

redamberblackbull wrote:

so would u be quite willing to let mcnamara keep his job to the end of the season just to save a few quid?i'm sorry but we must have a few quid still in the pot after missing out on bird!my new coach would be brian mcdermott if he was willing to leave quins!he has a lot history with the bulls,i know mcnamara has but he comes accross as too pally,pally with the players which i dont think is the right thing to do in any professional sport!brian mcdermott certainly isn't that type of guy and i think given a chance he could do well wipping our lazy players into shape and telling them to pull there finger out or they will be shown the door!

Fair enough - happy to acknowledge a well-argued proposal in response to my somewhat aggressive challenge.

My guess is that Brian Mac could do a pretty good job if the position was vacant - I'll pass on whether it should be vacant for now. Not sure how much it would cost to pay London compo though, and if there ARE Bird funds available would it make sense to raid the playing funds pot (assuming we'd anyway not sourced some external funding for the signing)?

I suspect there is more to the present difficulties than meets the eye though. Unless and until we know more of whats happening behind closed doors, people are going to keep attacking the symptoms and not necessarily the causes, I suggest?

: Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:31 pm  

af wrote:

Nothing's changed since last week. We're rebuilding. That takes time. Years. Not weeks.

What exactly is it we're supposed to be building, something that is a shadow of the potential of a club like Bradford? The wait and see argument no longer holds. Last night Cas beat Catalans and James Evans was a standout with two tries, one a superb solo effort. He rarely did anything wrong in a Bulls shirt, saved our Bacon in the Centenary match against Leeds and was as safe as houses in defense. So what did McNamara do in his rebuilding phase - get rid of him and sign more second rowers, just at the point decent centres were at a premium.

Nor do I believe this council of doom from people like Adeybull - whose argument seems to be (he'll correct me if it isn't) we can't get rid because it'll cost us money, we're not sure who might want to come and coach and unless we know everything going on behind the scenes and have a perfectly worked out alternative, including having audited the accounts, the status quo should be preserved.

The status quo and the tolerance of it for so long is what is killing us. There's nothing being built, it's being actively, if not intentionally, undermined instead. Macca's a good assistant coach, but he's not been able to prove himself as a an SL coach with a side like Bradford. Many, many coaches would love the opportunity he's had and they'll be beating the door down for the opportunity should it become available. Time to look again, start afresh and change the culture of wait and see. Waiting too long will see even more decline and reduce the pool of applicants, not enhance it.

Tigertot is right, there was no heart and soul yesterday, heads dropped easily and there was a resignation to losing long before it became a certainty.