Re: O/T - General Election : Tue May 09, 2017 8:37 pm  

roger daly wrote:

Can anybody answer me this question

When you see Corbyn on TV, does anybody think " Do you know what I think this guy will make a good prime minister, I'm gonna vote for his lot"

That's the problem. People are very shallow and get sucked in by the media bias. Maybe you should look at what he stands for and the good he would do for this country, not just dislike him because he is not a slick media trained clone and has a beard.

Re: O/T - General Election : Tue May 09, 2017 8:41 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

In 1972 maybe. Socialism is a dangerous ideal. I find it odd that some Labour voters liken Theresa May to Kim Jong-Un. Corbyns policies are far closer to Communist North Korea than May will ever be.

However, let me say once again. I am NOT a Tory. I never have been, but I will next month, for once.

A Tory landslide may well accelerate Labour change and stop the SNP juggernaut. A win win IMO. I, for one would take 5 years of Tories if it led to a better Labour Party and a silenced SNP.

And I have always voted Lib Dem. Till the last but one time........

After five years of Tory rule, there will be nothing left....

Re: O/T - General Election : Tue May 09, 2017 8:47 pm  

debaser wrote:

After five years of Tory rule, there will be nothing left....

Is that all you have? I find the "Tories are to blame for everything" mantra quite tiresome TBH.

If they are THAT bad, yet will win by a landslide then what does that say about the rest?

At least offer some balance.

Re: O/T - General Election : Tue May 09, 2017 9:16 pm  

roger daly wrote:

Can anybody answer me this question

When you see Corbyn on TV, does anybody think " Do you know what I think this guy will make a good prime minister, I'm gonna vote for his lot"

Or you could vote for May because you think she's great (haha!) only to find that she resigns after a year and you are stuck with Barmy Boris. I'd vote for policies over personalities every time.

Re: O/T - General Election : Tue May 09, 2017 9:23 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

Is that all you have? I find the "Tories are to blame for everything" mantra quite tiresome TBH.

If they are THAT bad, yet will win by a landslide then what does that say about the rest?

At least offer some balance.

Which again is the issue. They are that bad, but the opposition is worse. At least thats what everyone sees.

I have not blamed the Tories for everything. I am no fan of Blair and was opposed to taking us into war, etc. I work in the public sector and I have watched as things get systematically dismantled through lack of funding, and through incompetent leaders, too concerned with pushing through their own agenda, without feeling the need to actually engage with the people who do it day in day out. It was better under Labour, and that's not rose coloured specs, thats fact.
I work with families daily who don't have money to live on, with their children living in poverty (in poverty - in England - in the 21st Century!), with parents with mental health issues, with no support from the local community. Why no support? Under the Tories, the local health centre has been closed, the local Community Centre/Family Centre/Nursery has been closed, the social care services have been cut to the bare minimum, the school nurse has gone, the educational psychologist has gone, the EWO has gone. There is no-one left to deal with this apart from the school. And next year, budgets slashed again, so less staff. Society is imploding on itself, and the Tory could not give a f**k.

But May will trot out the same old lines - "investment in schools is at an all time high", and people will actually fall for it. It's sickening.

So yes, in five years, I don't think there will be much left of the area I work in.

Re: O/T - General Election : Tue May 09, 2017 9:46 pm  

We can blame media bias if we want, and we do seem to want. Here's a Tory election poster from 1987 I find it odd with all the faint tinges of fascism in the air, and not quite so faint now that the Tory stated aims are indistinguishable from the BNP manifesto of '97, that it's Labour going for the triumph of the will approach to their own history and absolutely everything that led up to New Labour. The things that made that happen did not become not real. It was utterly rejected election after election for decades. Where are the welcoming open arms now? Where have they ever been?

We can blame media bias if we want, and we do seem to want. Here's a Tory election poster from 1987 I find it odd with all the faint tinges of fascism in the air, and not quite so faint now that the Tory stated aims are indistinguishable from the BNP manifesto of '97, that it's Labour going for the triumph of the will approach to their own history and absolutely everything that led up to New Labour. The things that made that happen did not become not real. It was utterly rejected election after election for decades. Where are the welcoming open arms now? Where have they ever been?

Re: O/T - General Election : Tue May 09, 2017 9:51 pm  

Twenty years from now Hadrian's Wall will be a ruin, you won't be able to find a single legionary between Carlisle and the channel and we'll be begging for hordes of Saxons to redefine Englishness for us.

Re: O/T - General Election : Tue May 09, 2017 10:12 pm  

vbfg wrote: We can blame media bias if we want, and we do seem to want. Here's a Tory election poster from 1987 I find it odd with all the faint tinges of fascism in the air, and not quite so faint now that the Tory stated aims are indistinguishable from the BNP manifesto of '97, that it's Labour going for the triumph of the will approach to their own history and absolutely everything that led up to New Labour. The things that made that happen did not become not real. It was utterly rejected election after election for decades. Where are the welcoming open arms now? Where have they ever been? You will have probably seen the Tory propaganda that's come through the door - it's not dissimilar to that. A colourful pic of May and a black and white photo of Corbyn, outlining all his evilness. No mention of the Tory's policies, just how bad Labour are. And interestingly, the stuff about our actual candidate (Philip Davies, Con. Shipley, T0$$3r) stuck away on the back. It's all about Dictator May.

vbfg wrote: We can blame media bias if we want, and we do seem to want. Here's a Tory election poster from 1987 I find it odd with all the faint tinges of fascism in the air, and not quite so faint now that the Tory stated aims are indistinguishable from the BNP manifesto of '97, that it's Labour going for the triumph of the will approach to their own history and absolutely everything that led up to New Labour. The things that made that happen did not become not real. It was utterly rejected election after election for decades. Where are the welcoming open arms now? Where have they ever been? You will have probably seen the Tory propaganda that's come through the door - it's not dissimilar to that. A colourful pic of May and a black and white photo of Corbyn, outlining all his evilness. No mention of the Tory's policies, just how bad Labour are. And interestingly, the stuff about our actual candidate (Philip Davies, Con. Shipley, T0$$3r) stuck away on the back. It's all about Dictator May.

Re: O/T - General Election : Tue May 09, 2017 10:23 pm  

I'm very aware of how utterly tactically inept the entire party is. Who else would gift a 30 year old talking point?

(I'm mostly here to make jokes about the Romans and their practical relevance to the issues of the day though so I'm going to leave that there)

Re: O/T - General Election : Wed May 10, 2017 5:38 am  

roger daly wrote:

Can anybody answer me this question

When you see Corbyn on TV, does anybody think " Do you know what I think this guy will make a good prime minister, I'm gonna vote for his lot"

I quite like him when he asks questions sent in to him from the public.

May looks good when she's in a room of other Tories asking pre-prepared questions. Repeating stupid sound bites and attacking other people. She doesn't look good when she's making a rubbish of tense negotiations with EU leaders and rubbing them up the wrong way. Which she already is.

We've got an opportunity to get the best out of Brexit and she is totally wrecking it but because a Tory government is in the interests of the rich news barons its painted as if she's the new thatcher standing up to those European dictators. She's not she's put us on the back foot already in trying to deal with a trading block responsible for about 40% of the country's wealth generation. We are leaving EU not Europe remember.

We knacker this up and we are knackered. Get it right and it could be something great. So far she's been appalling.