: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:16 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

It can't be described as "tough cheese" ?!?

We pay rates, so should expect the same level of facilities.

It's not practical to expect people from this end of the valley to use facilities in Odsal, particularly as people are now enourage to use public transport. I can get the train to Leeds quicker!

Unbelievable!

The facilites are for everyone as far as I'm aware. You have as much right to use them as anyone else.

You can get 2 buses from Keighley to Odsal, about 40 mins on a good day.

What exactly is your complaint? The location? The fact that its not in Keighley? They have to build it somewhere FFS.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:20 pm  

debaser wrote:

Unbelievable!

The facilites are for everyone as far as I'm aware. You have as much right to use them as anyone else.

You can get 2 buses from Keighley to Odsal, about 40 mins on a good day.

What exactly is your complaint? The location? The fact that its not in Keighley? They have to build it somewhere FFS.

Unfortunately wherever it is built someone will be unhappy about it.

I have to travel from Wigan to use it, yet you don't hear me complaining!!

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:26 pm  

Asim wrote:

But people who live in the Aire Valley aren't from Bradford, they are from Bingley, Keighley or wherever,

Just because the government, in their wisdom, decided to create a Bradford Met District doesn't mean that people are now Bradfordians, because they aren't.

In fact if they weren't part of thos faux district we might actually get more things done in Bradford itself, the leaders of our council all live out in Haworth, Ilkley etc and don't actually seem to be in touch with the reality of life in then city.

What is your point? People in the Aire Valley don't want to travel to Odsal to watch the Bulls or City? Because its too far? But they will stretch to VP, if they have to?
They have to build the stadium somewhere. Will City "fans" stop supporting them if they move to the "wrong" side of the city? Well some fans in that case.
They can all go and support Aire Valley United in that case.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:45 pm  

debaser wrote:

What is your point?

Good question.

Seriously though it was in response to the earlier post saying that people from up the Aire Valley didn't consider themselves as having anything to do with Bradford.

Your other points could just as easily be attributed to the number of Bulls fans who couldn't be arsed to get off their backsides and travel to Valley Parade because it was no longer a 10 minute walk.

[Bullseye]

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:00 pm  

Asim wrote:

Good question.

Seriously though it was in response to the earlier post saying that people from up the Aire Valley didn't consider themselves as having anything to do with Bradford.

Your other points could just as easily be attributed to the number of Bulls fans who couldn't be arsed to get off their backsides and travel to Valley Parade because it was no longer a 10 minute walk.

Clearly there are lazy people everywhere in Bradford!

Short of building a sports village in everyones back garden I don't see a solution that will please everyone.

Given the population and population density of Bradford in comparison Keighley there are potentially more people who will use a sports village in Odsal than in Keighley. The transport network gives easier access too. So it obviously makes more sense to build it there than up the Aire Valley.

The organisations in the partnership obviously can't afford to build two OSVs - we haven't got one built yet! I'm well aware of the parochialism of people in the Bradford district area whether they be from Keighley or south Bradford but it never fails to amaze me!

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:06 pm  

debaser wrote:

What is your point? People in the Aire Valley don't want to travel to Odsal to watch the Bulls or City? Because its too far? But they will stretch to VP, if they have to?
They have to build the stadium somewhere. Will City "fans" stop supporting them if they move to the "wrong" side of the city? Well some fans in that case.
They can all go and support Aire Valley United in that case.

You could apply that to Bulls fans moaning about having to travel to VP

[Bullseye]

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:10 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

You could apply that to Bulls fans moaning about having to travel to VP

Well Asim has already. Folk are going to moan wherever you build an "OSV". That's my point about parochialism. But if you look objectively you can see why Odsal seems like a good site in comparison with "somewhere up the Aire valley".

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:21 pm  

aj cougar wrote:

You could apply that to Bulls fans moaning about having to travel to VP

Of course you could.
So....
What do you want? A sporting village in Keighley? Bingley?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:55 pm  

debaser wrote:

Of course you could.
So....
What do you want? A sporting village in Keighley? Bingley?

No.

And I don't think I'm on record as asking for one.

I would expect that leisure facilities should be raised to a high standard throughout the district, whether it be Odsal or Keighley.

Just for the record:

I am not against new lesiure facilities being built to serve South Bradford, however, if we're being honest, this is a being used as a trojan horse by the Bulls for new facilities for them.

If we accept this, then I am keen to know where will the money be coming from, keeping in mind that they already have accepted a £4.something million payout to look after their own destiny?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:57 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Well Asim has already. Folk are going to moan wherever you build an "OSV". That's my point about parochialism. But if you look objectively you can see why Odsal seems like a good site in comparison with "somewhere up the Aire valley".

How can that site on the edge of a district be preferable to one in the centre? Unless you're thinking of making provision for Calderdale now?