Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:00 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

:CURTAIN: I'm not!
I questioned ... Mr Whitcut and Mr Moore's reliance on Belinda and Rick for 2014 onwards...

Please quantify. What contribution, in £ and % did you forecast from B and R, compared to their forecasts for 2014 onwards?

Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:58 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

Probably because most people have hidden said troll's posts. I'd be surprised if any semi-regular could see Gutterfax's posts for example.

The internet version of hiding behind the curtains by peaking at the scary movie through a small crack......

roofaldo2 wrote:

Ah Gutterfax, the way he makes stuff up and claims it as fact, it's like he's the boards own version of The Daily Mail but without the overt racism

Nah.....I loving hate Australians

martinwildbull wrote:

Please quantify. What contribution, in £ and % did you forecast from B and R, compared to their forecasts for 2014 onwards?

September 2013 Whitcut and Moore claimed in the T&A that concert profits were one of the three main areas of revenue that would deliver substantial revenues to achieve profitability inside 12months in 2014. I questioned that logic then and I do now!

Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:04 pm  

What a dude

Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:02 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

The internet version of hiding behind the curtains by peaking at the scary movie through a small crack......

Nah.....I loving hate Australians

September 2013 Whitcut and Moore claimed in the T&A that concert profits were one of the three main areas of revenue that would deliver substantial revenues to achieve profitability inside 12months in 2014. I questioned that logic then and I do now!

So you question the wisdom of trying to get more money and use out of Odsal? It's an old stadium and he upkeep is one of the biggest weights round the club's neck but the ground is barely used over a year. Maybe 13/14 afternoons over the summer. But the rest of the year, it sits empty. The idea of hosting concerts is not a bad one, especially if they're held at points were the Bulls have a large gap in the calendar with no games as they had this year gone.

But please, show us your questions because all I remember you putting were snide comments about the acts rather than anything actually constructive

Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:05 pm  

roofaldo2 wrote:

So you question the wisdom of trying to get more money and use out of Odsal? It's an old stadium and he upkeep is one of the biggest weights round the club's neck but the ground is barely used over a year. Maybe 13/14 afternoons over the summer. But the rest of the year, it sits empty. The idea of hosting concerts is not a bad one, especially if they're held at points were the Bulls have a large gap in the calendar with no games as they had this year gone.
But please, show us your questions because all I remember you putting were snide comments about the acts rather than anything actually constructive

I questioned the claim that the 3 main areas of profitability were the shop (been there a while), the Coral Suite (been there a while) and Summer concerts (3 announced for 2013, 1 happened, it lost 6 figures). Are you saying that I was wrong to throw doubt on the viability of such a robust business plan

I also cast doubt on the suitability of a multiple-failed publican as a part owner of the "iconic" club. Are you suggesting I was wrong there too?

No matter if the questions were wrapped up as "snide comments" they were questions and they were/are valid.

I'd still rather be a Bradford Bulls fan than a London Broncos one....all we've done is change seats on the titanic.

Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:18 pm  

GF -- you seem to have admitted to snide comments. Honesty is always the best policy.

Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:34 pm  

Bullnorthern wrote:

GF -- you seem to have admitted to snide comments. Honesty is always the best policy.

Honesty? Might well be the best policy, but not when it comes to submitting business plans for a 3 year Licence in SL

Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:19 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

I questioned the claim that the 3 main areas of profitability were the shop (been there a while), the Coral Suite (been there a while) and Summer concerts (3 announced for 2013, 1 happened, it lost 6 figures). Are you saying that I was wrong to throw doubt on the viability of such a robust business plan

I also cast doubt on the suitability of a multiple-failed publican as a part owner of the "iconic" club. Are you suggesting I was wrong there too?

No matter if the questions were wrapped up as "snide comments" they were questions and they were/are valid.

I'd still rather be a Bradford Bulls fan than a London Broncos one....all we've done is change seats on the titanic.

So where can a club make money beyond selling tickets? I know as a London fan, the idea of a club making money is completely alien to you, but some of us haven't had our consistent hemorrhaging of funds underwritten by someone with more money than sense.

A club shop with a good array of stock is a good way for any sporting club to make extra cash. People are willing to buy more than just replica shirts as long as what the club offers is good quality. The Bulls shop hasn't had the best range in recent years, but changing that up could see it turn a profit.

As said before, Odsal is a huge drain on resources at the club. Finding ways for it to pay for it's upkeep has to be a top priority for whoever's in charge of the club. So why shouldn't things like concerts be considered? Or opening up the Coral stand for use other than on matchdays?

Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:20 am  

roofaldo2 wrote:

So where can a club make money beyond selling tickets? I know as a London fan, the idea of a club making money is completely alien to you, but some of us haven't had our consistent hemorrhaging of funds underwritten by someone with more money than sense.

A club shop with a good array of stock is a good way for any sporting club to make extra cash. People are willing to buy more than just replica shirts as long as what the club offers is good quality. The Bulls shop hasn't had the best range in recent years, but changing that up could see it turn a profit.

As said before, Odsal is a huge drain on resources at the club. Finding ways for it to pay for it's upkeep has to be a top priority for whoever's in charge of the club. So why shouldn't things like concerts be considered? Or opening up the Coral stand for use other than on matchdays?

QED

Re: Cutting the £400,000 : Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:44 am  

roofaldo2 wrote:

So you question the wisdom of trying to get more money and use out of Odsal? It's an old stadium and he upkeep is one of the biggest weights round the club's neck but the ground is barely used over a year. Maybe 13/14 afternoons over the summer. But the rest of the year, it sits empty. The idea of hosting concerts is not a bad one, especially if they're held at points were the Bulls have a large gap in the calendar with no games as they had this year gone.

But please, show us your questions because all I remember you putting were snide comments about the acts rather than anything actually constructive

Roofy, if people have decided to ignore a troll it's probably best not to quote the said troll as it defeats the object. Just saying!