Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:45 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Complete and utter bollox

You cannot rely on your results and performances to increase income, this is why you are in the crap you currently are, it is lazy management to do this, as was reducing your ST prices

It's only one of the parameters, but to put and to keep bums on seats results and performance on the field of play is the main indicator of income?

Figures of the before and after of this statement can be generated to prove conclusively that people paying out money generates income.

Your opinion like your crude expression is unwarranted.

Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:15 pm  

Rarebreed wrote:

It's only one of the parameters, but to put and to keep bums on seats results and performance on the field of play is the main indicator of income?

Figures of the before and after of this statement can be generated to prove conclusively that people paying out money generates income.

Your opinion like your crude expression is unwarranted.

If you reread my post you will see I used the word ' rely ' , in that yes attractive and successful results can and often do result in increased inome, but you cannot RELY on that as a business plan, once as a board of directors you have allocated your coach his playing budget , it is then you start to do the real work you are involved at the club for

HTH

Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:41 pm  

Nothus wrote:

It seems like RHP isn't going anywhere according to today's t&a, which I suppose is some consolation.

Also, for what it's worth:

Mick Gledhill ‏@TheGameCaller 25m

Bradford Bulls Update: Talks are still ongoing between the interested parties. New make-up of the club's BOD will be announced accordingly.

What it says is that he is 'still at the helm'. It catergorically does not say he is going nowhere. Watch this space.

Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:22 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

What it says is that he is 'still at the helm'. It catergorically does not say he is going nowhere. Watch this space.

I'd imagine RHP's services don't come cheap, he left a good job at the giants to take up his current position. As chief executive did he have no vision of the budgets and the holes that were yet to appear?

If savings need to be made. What's to say a new director/chairman appointed may not decide to let RHP go?

Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:51 pm  

Starbug wrote:

If you reread my post you will see I used the word ' rely ' , in that yes attractive and successful results can and often do result in increased inome, but you cannot RELY on that as a business plan, once as a board of directors you have allocated your coach his playing budget , it is then you start to do the real work you are involved at the club for

HTH

Right at this moment the publicly stated strategy for the Bulls is to cut costs to the point that costs = income, not hoped for income. Rarebreeds comment has to be seen in the light of that. Yes it was short and brief, but I will fill in the gaps: If, despite the cuts, the squad stays together, it looks stronger than last years. So it is likely that there will be a few more wins, and that should attract a few more fans. These will be on the gate, so true incremental income at a time when it is most needed. So I have to say to you, as I have to say to so many offcumdens, PLEASE KEEP UP!!! for example, the low priced season tickets was an issue of three boards and one liquidation ago. nor is Caisley is our chairman. If you stick around you might learn something of the complexities of the situation, again as an example Wooden Top who started making comments almost as naive as yours a few weeks ago is starting to show signs of awareness.

Looking at it from where we are now (and with help from Adeys observations about the OK RW relationship), the club needs the realism of the outgoing board to continue, so OKs appointees must have that, with RL/professional sports club experience useful.

Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:04 pm  

martinwildbull wrote:

Right at this moment the publicly stated strategy for the Bulls is to cut costs to the point that costs = income, not hoped for income. Rarebreeds comment has to be seen in the light of that. Yes it was short and brief, but I will fill in the gaps: If, despite the cuts, the squad stays together, it looks stronger than last years. So it is likely that there will be a few more wins, and that should attract a few more fans. These will be on the gate, so true incremental income at a time when it is most needed. So I have to say to you, as I have to say to so many offcumdens, PLEASE KEEP UP!!! for example, the low priced season tickets was an issue of three boards and one liquidation ago. nor is Caisley is our chairman. If you stick around you might learn something of the complexities of the situation, again as an example Wooden Top who started making comments almost as naive as yours a few weeks ago is starting to show signs of awareness.

Looking at it from where we are now (and with help from Adeys observations about the OK RW relationship), the club needs the realism of the outgoing board to continue, so OKs appointees must have that, with RL/professional sports club experience useful.

Not if their experience is the usual one of assuming that a supposed better squad than previous years will result in better performance/results and therefore increased income

RL and Pro sport is awash with administrators that have failed , so experience isnt neccessarily the answer, what will be needed is some realism from you the fans , because quite often it is the expectations of them that drive administrations to overspend

Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:16 pm  

martinwildbull wrote:

Right at this moment the publicly stated strategy for the Bulls is to cut costs to the point that costs = income, not hoped for income. Rarebreeds comment has to be seen in the light of that. Yes it was short and brief, but I will fill in the gaps: If, despite the cuts, the squad stays together, it looks stronger than last years. So it is likely that there will be a few more wins, and that should attract a few more fans. These will be on the gate, so true incremental income at a time when it is most needed. So I have to say to you, as I have to say to so many offcumdens, PLEASE KEEP UP!!! for example, the low priced season tickets was an issue of three boards and one liquidation ago. nor is Caisley is our chairman. If you stick around you might learn something of the complexities of the situation, again as an example Wooden Top who started making comments almost as naive as yours a few weeks ago is starting to show signs of awareness.

Looking at it from where we are now (and with help from Adeys observations about the OK RW relationship), the club needs the realism of the outgoing board to continue, so OKs appointees must have that, with RL/professional sports club experience useful.

As regards ' Nievity ' ,I was one of quite a few who when OK was beeing mooted on here as a ' Successful Businessman ' and will therefore know what to do to, suggested that there is no ' normal business experience ' that can prepare anybody to run a Pro Sports club, and that it would be a couple of years at least before he would realise the difficulty involved, similarily the offer to forgo 50% of the SKY money if he didnt have the cash to replace it was stupid in the extreme, and doomed to fail

Unfortunatley for you the removing of licencing could see you potentially lose your SL status

Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:34 pm  

Well burger me.

Things areTHAT bad that we are relying on info from Gledhill?

It is worse than I thought.

Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:22 pm  

Anyone know what Gary Tasker is upto?

Re: Moore, Calvert and Watt step down : Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:36 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Not if their experience is the usual one of assuming that a supposed better squad than previous years will result in better performance/results and therefore increased income

RL and Pro sport is awash with administrators that have failed , so experience isnt neccessarily the answer, what will be needed is some realism from you the fans , because quite often it is the expectations of them that drive administrations to overspend

I suggest, as you are so keen to advise others, that you re-read my post. In this pathetic answer you confuse Rarebreeds "wish" and the intentions of the incoming board. My post clearly differentiated between the two, and what my hopes are.
Us fans do not run the club. If we did, I would have put the club into liquidation and started again with no obligations to anybody, and before the fans and others had put £500k into the black hole. Yes there are those that expect signings as if it were 2003 not 2013, but there is a massive dose of realism in the rest. BUT it is the administrators that run the club, and to repeat what I said, I hope that the incoming lot are as realistic as the outgoing lot.