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Re: Points deduction upheld : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:07 pm  
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give up and we get bent over.


Zak Hardaker would be appalled.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:09 pm  
Well going forward if we are going to invest in anything other than youth and talent, may I suggest w also invest in better Solicitors? Good god the ones we've been using couldn't win a fight with a bag of Jelly Babies!
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:11 pm  
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The collective brain-cell will be in overdrive in the fair city of Wakey today and, TBH, I can actually hear all the horses hooves from up here as they all ride into the city square to high-six each other.




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Re: Points deduction upheld : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:12 pm  
The only thing that i still fail to understand is how can the RFL deduct us 6 points as BB2014, yet they never actually got control.

BBNorthern or whatever we are now called, took control without the RFL considering the potential for paying off creditors and reducing the deduction.

The RFL are comparable to FIFA in all this.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:15 pm  
Still as clear as mud. And the RFL statement includes the words forensic and complicated, not just a straightforward are you going to pay any creditors, take note Slugger McBatt. And yes I do agree with you that the new format should mean pretty swift promotion, and also would be a good thing for the club, simply to get back into a virtuous winning cycle again. Shame it was not in place first time around, we would have been relegated and promoted again by now I am sure.

But we have to wait another two weeks to find out what the case was and why insufficient. Even then we probably (@ 0.99 probability) will not know what the further options are that the Bulls statement refers to.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:27 pm  
Right. These are questions I want clear YES/NO answers to:

1 - Was the admistration primarily intended as a means of removing Khan from the picture?

2 - Did the RFL work closely with and provide advice to Moore & Co, regarding bringing this about?

3 - Did the RFL work closely with Moore & Co, or at least did they provide active and constructive advice, regarding entering administration?

4 - Were the RFL involved in any way in the setting up of the (ultimately aborted) prepack?

5 - Did the RFL provide advice, input, guidance or indications of likely outcomes to Moore & Co, which they relied on in setting up the prepack?

6 - Did the RFL tell Moore & Co - or at least did they leave them with a clear understanding - that there would be no points deduction for entering administration and immediately exiting through a prepack?

7 - Did the RFL see or request business plans and/or financial projections from Moore & Co prior to administration?

8 - Did Moore & Co propose and intend to repay all the non-Khan creditors, and if so is there demonstrable proof that this was intent not just words?

9 - Did the RFL give Moore & Co full opportunity to present and discuss their business plans, before ruling on the points deduction and the (debilitating) ongoing special measures?

10 - Had the club new players lined up ready to join, whose signings were stymied by the continuing special measures?

11 - Were Moore & Co given any prior indication that special measures could or would continue after the administration?

12 - Did the RFL impose a 6 point penalty not a 4 point penaly because they had determined that NO creditors would actiually be repaid?

Maybe we will get answers in the formal report. I rather doubt it,though. Others may be content to let the matter lie and "move on". Not me. I will not be content until I know the answers to the above questions.

I suspect there are people who know where the bodies are buried, who hitherto have largely kept their own counsel. I would very much invite and urge any such people to now put in the public domain any (further) information that might cast light on anything that has gone on.

I suggest that, only when we know the answers to these questions (and doubtless some others that I have not included) will ANYONE be in any position to judge whether the destruction of the Bulls over recent months has been justified, unavoidable, inevitable, accidental, criminal, or just plain reprehensible?

And who is actually to blame for the destruction, so they can be judged by history accordingly.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:28 pm  
Are we getting any reasons for the judgement at all? Would that be too much to ask?

And anyone else really believe that we are going to appeal? Or just more big words from our invisible "owner"?

Relegation, oblivion, here we come. Hope all respective parties are happy with themselves. Sleep well tonight.
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:31 pm  
The independent Sporting Sanctions Appeals Panel will hand down a full written judgement within the next 14 days.
I presume this will a public document?
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Re: Points deduction decision : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:33 pm  
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I said beforehand that we should accept the ruling of the independent panel and assuming everything is above board and we received a fair hearing I stand by that.

We need to start making plans for dropping down a division and building some solid foundations. We need to make sure we're in the strongest possible position when the opportunity for promotion comes about. Whether that be by straight forward promotion or by another club in SL going belly up.

spot on, and good luck!
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Re: Points deduction upheld : Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:44 pm  
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The independent Sporting Sanctions Appeals Panel will hand down a full written judgement within the next 14 days.
I presume this will a public document?


That's going to be interesting reading.
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