Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:31 pm  

HalifaxCougar wrote:

So what your saying if the bulls win the appeal then, you feel they should not be send to the championship and remain in superleague no matter how many points behind they are?

Very good, but you know exactly what he was saying, so why try to make a straw man out of it? Until we and you learn the actual grounds of the application to the court, and exactly what is alleged, and what remedies are sought, who can say? How can he or anyone comment on what should happen if the Bulls "win the appeal", before anyone knows what the argument is that we are putting up?

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:32 pm  

HalifaxCougar wrote:

So what your saying if the bulls win the appeal then, you feel they should not be send to the championship and remain in superleague no matter how many points behind they are?

Have you actually read what he put. Because no where has he said, or even suggested we should stay up if we finish on lowest points.

He said the board must feel they is more to it than points appeal. How on earth you can twist it to him
Saying "we should stay in SL even if we finish on lowest amount of points"

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:32 pm  

Bull Mania wrote:

Would be interesting to see how much we have paid for all this appealing. Maybe we could have paid some creditors back and guaranteed some points back

sporting sanctions appeal cost £5k. It was mentioned in one of articles when result was announced. High court action , if it happens, would be an order of magnitude higher i'd imagine.

few points to consider. Firstly high court will listen to any relevent evidence. they wont have to stay within frames of reference set by the RFL as the sporting sanctions panel was. If I understand comments Greens made in press re that appeal then they didnt actually look at evidence we provided as it was outside their frames of reference. This is why they kepp saying they were unable to FULLY consider our case.

Secondly Greens left himself a get out clause, in that he could drop the action if he decides its no longer in interests of the club. Cynical part of me thinks he'll keep action going til end of season, but stalling so it doesnt progress to point where it costs serious money, thus keeping slim possibility of avoiding relegation alive. This coupled with new coach should help to keep pay on the gate support coming for remainder of season. Once season ends and theres no more potential for money coming through gates he decides its no longer in interests of club and drops the action before it gets to the court.

Finally if we do have a strong case and win,and somehow get within 6 points of survival, I fully expect RFL to instantly slap a six point penalty on us for bringing game into disrepute and we go down anyway. Only positive outcome could be we force some resignations at red hall. I think this is what Green is refering to with comments about the good of the game.

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:34 pm  

debaser wrote:

A few nervous people now who have posted on the "If we avoid relegation I will..." thread I should imagine.

Especially ME, who may have to get his wallet out...

poop I said I would buy a Leeds shirt

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:38 pm  

I presume the whole thing will have to begin with a letter before action to the RFL. Now that would be instructive.

roger daly wrote:

poop I said I would buy a Leeds shirt

You want to edit that sharpish, while you still can

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:40 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

I think we're missing something by obsessing with the points, to be honest. It's clearly more than the six points and I'd guess they club feel they have, maybe, been financially disadvantaged by all this. It's hard to think that they haven't been, when you think it through.

At the end of the day it's not just the Bulls, I'm sure Mr Carter at Wakefield was quite caustic in his opinion of the 'help' his club received at the hands of the RFL, mentioning "threats" IIRC. Let's hope Ryan Whitcut's observations on how the ruling body conducted itself are put to the test in a court of law.

If we had not already made a total mess of our finances you maybe could argue that but the club was clearly the main culprit in it's financial problems - both times. And I cannot say I would personally give any credence to statements from RW, who after all is not a fit and proper person to own a RL club.

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:43 pm  

HalifaxCougar wrote:

So what your saying if the bulls win the appeal then, you feel they should not be send to the championship and remain in superleague no matter how many points behind they are?

Yes, yes, that is exactly what he said. As clear as day.

[Bulliac]

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:44 pm  

HalifaxCougar wrote:

So what your saying if the bulls win the appeal then, you feel they should not be send to the championship and remain in superleague no matter how many points behind they are?

What I'm saying is that everyone concerned will have to abide by the verdict handed down in court [or challenge it, of course, since there is a long and involved back story to all this]. Do I think the court would try to micro manage rugby league? No, not at all, I expect any judgement to be financial in nature, so I'm still holding out for, and looking forward to, my journey to Cougar Park.

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:48 pm  

Does this mean the hearing report thingy has been given to Bradford? I hope we get a nosey.

[Bulliac]

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:52 pm  

Northernrelic wrote:

If we had not already made a total mess of our finances you maybe could argue that but the club was clearly the main culprit in it's financial problems - both times. And I cannot say I would personally give any credence to statements from RW, who after all is not a fit and proper person to own a RL club.

No, the Bulls management over recent years has been deplorable. I meant purely any consequential damages caused by their ruling.

Incidentally, I hold no brief for Whitcut, but his allegations have been in the public domain for a while now and there has been no indication in the press, which repeated the allegations, that there has been any attempt at legal action against him. From which, we can draw what conclusions we wish, I guess.