Re: OT - In/Out : Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:39 pm  

Highlander wrote:

Scotland used to include Cumbria & Northumberland. But obviously, offering Berwick the chance to re-join after a successful independence vote would be the initial legal test case I would think.

We may have taken their football team, but we will never take their FRRRRREEEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMMM!

Re: OT - In/Out : Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:54 pm  

vbfg wrote:

... some gubbins ...

I want to change my answer to fully automated luxury communism - the obvious next step after a universal guaranteed income that tracks the poverty line - an essential requirement in a world of increasing automation where there will never be jobs for what was once the working class, immigration or not.

Re: OT - In/Out : Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:06 pm  

vbfg wrote:

I want to change my answer to fully automated luxury communism - the obvious next step after a universal guaranteed income that tracks the poverty line - an essential requirement in a world of increasing automation where there will never be jobs for what was once the working class, immigration or not.

I can only hope that the punishment beating from the EU will be implementation of the Universal Basic Income.

[Bulliac]

Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:29 am  

Highlander wrote:

Scotland used to include Cumbria & Northumberland. But obviously, offering Berwick the chance to re-join after a successful independence vote would be the initial legal test case I would think.

Or, if there was sufficient existing will in the town, it could simply be annexed, in some Putinesqe like move, a bit like Crimea? I mean, that one seems to have gone ahead despite all the rhetoric.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:12 am  

As a natural Lib Dem I'm gratified that Tim Farron has said he would go into the coming general election (I'm assuming we get one in the autumn) campaigning on a platform of not allowing brexit. On that statement they've added 6k new members in two days.

There is a slow but creeping message from a multitude of places, that regardless of the fact that 52% of people have taken delight in having no measurable brain activity, we shouldn't let this exit happen.

Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:14 am  

If it doesn't happen there will be riots. If it does, there will also be riots.

Personally I'm just glad we did something that warrants its own chapter in The Decline and Fall of Western Civilisation.

[Bulliac]

Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:25 am  

[quote="vbfg"]If it doesn't happen there will be riots. If it does, there will also be riots.

Personally I'm just glad we did something that warrants its own chapter in The Decline and Fall of Western Civilisation.[/quote]
This is the largest part of the problem.

If it had been 60% against 40% the arguments, if not the opinions, would be over. But it wasn't, it was pretty much down the middle. With the Leavers now backing off about sending notice to quit it does seem they maybe realise they have bitten off something bigger than they thought, and they are worried.

Johnson certainly gives the impression that he was in it for the jape, and maybe hoped it would enhance his leadership bid but now looks panicky as he realises they never actually worked out a plan for if they won. Either that or someone put the fag packet in a bin...

[Pumpetypump]

Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:50 am  

vbfg wrote:

If it doesn't happen there will be riots. If it does, there will also be riots.

This is why I find it risible that political luminaries such as Jennifer Saunders tells her 100k fans on Facebook that we should all be polite and pull together. I can't emphaise enough to people that the twee "keep calm and carry on" is applicable after a minor flood, or a cat up a tree, but wholly inappropriate to civil war.

Because to me, the seismic nature of the rift in this country is as close to the effects of civil war as it is to the partisan aftermath of a contentious general election. It suits brexiteers to chalk this attitude to melodrama, but I believe it to be true nontheless.

Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:01 am  

That is the truest thing you have said. It's just the beginning.

I want my country back.

Re: OT - In/Out : Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:08 am  

vbfg wrote:

When we're paying the same amount for EEA access, the same free movement, no say, no citizenship and only have the racists who helped out and are demanding unfulfilled and unfulfillable promises to be made good on to contend with I'm sure I'll feel better about it.

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Imagine their petty, small minded faces when the dawning realisation that no veto on Turkish membership means the exact thing they we're crowing and shouting about stopping is going to happen only now they can do Jack poop to stop it...