Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:07 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

As likely as you getting a season ticket at Den's Park.

The way things are going at the moment my friend, it seems like the most likely way I have of being able to watch top flight football next season.

DUFC were doing ok until we hired a manager called McNamara. You really just could not make it up.

Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:38 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

Ferocious Aardvark has changed his loyalties to Castleford.

We don't allow common riff raff.

Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:47 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I disagree. Despite the completely gratuitous abuse yet again needlessly coming from a certain poster, (of which I must say I am becoming pretty fed up - do we really need this?) the reason I restricted my remarks to Addy's 2 missed kicks was because the first was a conversion attempt, so whether it went over or not didn't change the course of the game in any way, and I am of course assuming that if the second kick had gone over, we would have been able to see the match out. The latter is, of course, not 100% certain but given the time left on the clock it will do for me.

I know you were just being facetious, but actually, alternatives like your "also's" don't wash, and aren't comparable; because (for example) if Blythe had scored, then it would have resulted in a kick-off restart, and the entire course of the rest of the game would have been completely different. So it would just be speculation.

The stuff about "if we'd scored more tries than them" is not argument, but banality, and I expect better from you. I don't know why you pretend not to understand the point, but let me ask YOU then; if Addy's last kick had put us if front, do you think we would have won? What percentage chances do you think there would have been for Wakey to save the game?

I think you're trying to argue that what happened over the whole season had no bearing on the MPG i.e that you've come to the conclusion there is no relationship between form and performance. You've deconstructed a game of hundreds of incidents and focussed upon the two kicks whilst ignoring that Wakefield had a try ruled out for the most marginal of forward passes and Arundel missed an easier kick than either of Addy's, plus countless other significant moments.

We lost because we were the poorer of two very poor teams and had we recruited even slightly better (as evidenced by the stats of our bench) then we would likely have won. Here's one for you - Moore made 90m and Baille made 10m and missed 4 tackles (one of which led to a try I think).

Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:34 pm  

Not at all. Of course the season had a big bearing. I am saying without any player playing nay better or anything else whatsoever being done differently or happening differently, the result would have been reversed had Addy's kicks gone in.

You can of course make a whole host of arguments and theories about personnel, team selection, recruitment and all the rest and those are perfectly valid theories to discuss but all debateable. No certainty. Sure, we could have done things a lot different and a lot better. But what we did would have ended up good enough but for the serendipity of a ball twice going wrong side of a post. Anyway that is the point. I have made it more than enough times so I will not re-re-re-re--explain it again.

Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:24 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Despite the completely gratuitous abuse yet again needlessly coming from a certain poster, (of which I must say I am becoming pretty fed up - do we really need this?)

That's worth repeating.

Your advice to those other posters that complain about this is to give such posters foe status. Or, as the like button has disappeared, has that gone too? ...No it hasn't, just found it for the first time, and yes it is still there.

So you do not need to read it. which makes you a gratuiitous self-abuser.

Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:26 am  

martinwildbull wrote:

That's worth repeating.

Your advice to those other posters that complain about this is to give such posters foe status. Or, as the like button has disappeared, has that gone too? ...No it hasn't, just found it for the first time, and yes it is still there.

So you do not need to read it. which makes you a gratuiitous self-abuser.

Nah, dear old Eddie isn't foe material, I look forward to his posts. He is amusing, even though he doesn't know it, and he makes some valid points. I mean, I can't remember the last one, in truth, but I'm sure there must have been one. The place would be much the poorer if deprived of his often entertaining if unintelligible drivel.

Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:40 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Nah, dear old Eddie isn't foe material, I look forward to his posts. He is amusing, even though he doesn't know it, and he makes some valid points. I mean, I can't remember the last one, in truth, but I'm sure there must have been one. The place would be much the poorer if deprived of his often entertaining if unintelligible drivel.

This is the closest I will ever get to a compliment so I am taking it as one!

Cheers FA.

Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:12 am  

Have dipped in & out of this one....why so many of the opinion that promotion is impossible under this system? After all, cup upsets in which a SL club gets dumped out by one from the championship are rare but not unheard of.

Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:20 am  

Clearwing wrote:

Have dipped in & out of this one....why so many of the opinion that promotion is impossible under this system? After all, cup upsets in which a SL club gets dumped out by one from the championship are rare but not unheard of.

Rare - i.e. does not happen very often at all. Therefore it is highly unlikely that a Championship team will be able to prevail. It is certainly not impossible however.

Also, most cup upsets occur when the "big" team are guilty of complacency and maybe rest a few of their key players against the "wee" team. Therefore the chance of an upset is greater because the SL side may well be weakened.

This certainly would NOT be the case in the middle 8's when the SL sides will play their strongest available side until they amass enough points to secure their safety.

Re: Sorry Jimmy but...... : Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:21 am  

Because if you accept it's possible, then you have to accept the season has been a failure to achieve the possible and upon that basis significant change needs to take place in order to achieve the possible.

That change being the dismissal of the coach or the person in charge of recruitment or both. Elements of this board have a long standing aversion to the coach being sacked on the grounds that no matter how bad things are they could be even worse - and then they work backwards from this position.