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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:06 am  
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I'm saying nowt!


Makes a change :lol:
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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:12 am  
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I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. If you read today's article Solly says:

“We’ve been in communication with Ryan and Mark for around three weeks now and expect to have the final version of their business plan and financial forecasts by Thursday."

That suggests that they have had a copy (as Whitcut said) but perhaps it didn't have everything that was required. I seem to remember a similar delay in the Kahn takeover. Sounds like the RFL are sticklers for details which surprises me at the way they seem to run everything else.

I think its called micro managing.Its one of the things the rfl say is holding them back from doing other things like looking for sponsors
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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:18 am  
You could be right Sensei, I hope you are. But if you are then some better communication from the club wouldn’t go amiss. E.g. “We’re in discussions with the RFL and are jointly developing our business plan with a view to getting it finalised so the takeover can be confirmed. This may take some weeks as we work on the finer points but the important thing is that it’s completed correctly, in the meantime there will be a dialogue between the club and the RFL to ensure things are progressing.”

The last thing we need are stories saying the business plan is done and in from the club then the RFL saying they haven’t had what they need yet. It’s not good publicity and doesn’t inspire confidence. If we’re to get sponsors, season ticket holders etc then the club needs to look like it knows what it’s doing and not present a prematurely optimistic outlook as when it’s proven to be wrong it looks like amateur hour.

Hopefully this will all be a storm in a teacup and be sorted soon. I do worry though…
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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:38 am  
Interesting points I saw in article were need for all three owners to pass fit and proper persons test. Does this imply they all have an equal shareholding as I though just majority shareholder had to pass test. Also comment about RFL possibly looking at another consortium to take club forward, suggests someone waiting in wings should things not proceed with current owners (CC?).
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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:49 am  
I can’t see it being Caisley waiting in the wings. Let’s face it his consortium wasn’t prepared to accept the terms the RFL dictated last year (half the sky money/no negotiation on Odsal lease) so why would they do it now? Unless of course the goalposts have moved.

Another reason I doubt it’s Caisley is that in the current climate the SL club are at loggerheads with the RFL. Caisley’s view I suspect would be far more in tune with the SL club owners. I’d be amazed if the RFL approved Caisley given his historic attitude of putting SL clubs above all other forms of RL. It’d be like inviting a hungry lion to a picnic.

I think it must be someone else.
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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:55 am  
The whole thing stinks and is totally ridiculous. I agree about the comment re the "final" version of the bp which clearly indicates that a bp was supplied but needed work. That's not encouraging.

Solly wrote:
“We would then expect a decision to be made either way in the next seven to 14 days because the competition and the club want the certainty of Bradford being in Super League next year.”

Yes, all very reasonable and routine so far

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Solly said that at least four Championship clubs – Featherstone, Halifax, Sheffield and Leigh – would be willing to replace the Bulls in Super League should the unthinkable happen and the RFL refused to ratify the change of ownership.

Did he? How on earth did THAT come about? Have all these clubs applied on spec immediately on hearing of the change of ownership? What is Solly doing? So these clubs "would be willing to replace??" WTF does that mean? I would have thought that any of these clubs will certainly not have provided a SL business plan/financial forecasts etc to the RFL let alone have had them examined and ruled upon, so if - as seems certain - the possible qualification to participate of any of these clubs in SL 2014 must be the most premature of speculation and as such, why on earth has Solly referred to or responded to it whatsoever?

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Asked what might happen in that situation, Solly said: “It’s too early to speculate

... indeed - and yet in the same breath, he immediately goes right on speculating!!
but we would probably have to look at an alternative consortium to own the club.

Is there anything to be read between those lines? In the ordinary way, in the case of a new ownership consortium going through the motions and technicalities and documentation, then I suggest it would be highly surprising for him to publicly speculate to that effect.

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“There are people who have been in touch and told us to contact them if things don’t go to plan.

Are there indeed? But in what way? This shocking remark needs to be carefully analysed.
These are by definition NOT prospective SL clubs Featherstone, Halifax, Sheffield and Leigh since he dealt with their case earlier in the piece. So the reference MUST be to alternative ownership consortia, waiting in the wings, who impliedly would be prepared to put in an application for a change of owner to the RFL if they aren't happy with the present one.

But on what basis could the RFL contact them and what standing does it have to do so? Whoever these people are, they do not own the club, and so it and its ownership surely are nothing whatsoever to do with the RFL. What could it do if a new consortium wanted to apply? It's not as if the RFL could sell the Bulls to them, as it does not own the Bulls. So wtf would they talk about?

And when would they talk about it? If the present application had been refused, where would that leave Whitcut Moore and Watt? On the face of it, I suggest, absolutely nowhere as if they have bought something but can't operate it in SL, then how would it work? Would there be another consortium who would be prepared to but the Bulls from the present owners, before that new consortium had bee approved by the RFL? Really? Then where have they been all these years? What would they pay? What about the £1m owed to OK. Can you see someone coming in and starting off with a £1m cheque before they even consider the rest of the actual purhcase price of the assets? Because I certainly can't.

Can it be that the application by W and M has had a pre-indication from the RFL that they were unhappy at something, but something which could at least be fixed - for example, whether there was sufficient cash funding for the club in place? If so, might that explain the out-of-the-blue entry of Ian Watt into the arena at such an inconvenient moment? It did seem very odd at the time that you would change the ownership structure mid-application. Maybe they came up with an additional person because it had been indicated to them that they needed to if what they already had was not enough to satisfy the RFL?

And now the RFL very publicly "warn" the Bulls to produce whatever it is they need to. That in itself is, for me, the most worrying part. I would have thought that such a public warning would have been several steps down the line and to me signals the RFL having for whatever reasons almost lost patience.

Public warning? Public confirmation by RFL that effectively the Bulls have yet to provide them with the information required to ratify the club’s change of ownership ? Public speculation by Blake Solly as to what would happen if they do not ratify? Public confirmation by Blake Solly that at least 4 clubs have said they would take our fookin place if we drop out? Public confirmation by Blake Solly that mysterious people who have been in touch and told the RFL to "contact them if things don’t go to plan." And then -
"At the moment we haven’t responded to that..."


And largely silence from the Bulls.
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we have arranged for the whole board to meet with Blake Solly next Tuesday

That being the case, hasn't anyone told Blake Solly? Is it just me, or wouldn't you expect that, in a situation where the RFL has a pre-arranged meeting with the new owners to thrash everything out, it would be inappropriate for the RFL to make these sort of comments and issue waarnings etc?

What the hell is going on?
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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:29 am  
As usual the fans are treated like mushrooms. I suspect there's a lot we don't know.

Hold on tight!
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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:30 am  
Can I get a refund on my season ticket? Do I write to Omar, Moore, Watt, Blake Solly, Caisley or Uncle Tom Cobley?
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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:54 am  
Maybe the only fit and proper person in this shabbily run sport is a multi-millionaire who will throw money at it!
Lions led by Donkeys, all this inflammatory story could have been explained with more consideration than Solley making provocative statements.
As usual the fans are treat like mushrooms and fed sh** whilst kept in the dark.
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Re: Khan leaves the bulls! : Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:08 pm  
I'm sure Solly's remarks will do wonders for ticket sales this week
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