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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:38 pm  
The 3 x 8 idea is a nonsense that comes about from looking at the issues the wrong way around. The focus should not be on bringing SL clubs down so Fev and Fax can compete with them but on how to build more full time clubs.

Right now there are issues with every team outwith the 8 who made the play offs. I think yourselves Widnes and Salford have the least to worry about. You would though be in greater peril if funding is cut. The 3 x 8 is a funding cut to full time clubs to fund part time clubs. That just seems wrong. A a professional sport we must support full time clubs and generate more income for the entire sport.

I would like to see a second french team in Super League, Catalans have been a success and I understand French TV would pay considerably more for a second team.

Other than that, though some people may not like it, SL should remain a closed league. It works for NFL & NRL and P&R did not work before. Ask yourself this, is there any club in England that is outwith SL that offers more to the greater game than Bradford Bulls? If there is not (as I believe) why would you introduce the very real chance of swapping them?

If fev Fax or Leigh are to get into SL we need to find a way to bring them up to that level not bring SL down to thiers. The only way to do that is generate more income.

The only real question in the short term is who to swap for more Frenchies? A club down south may be making that an easy answer.

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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:33 pm  
The RFL saved your SL skins. A real thankyou is not given with the middle finger.
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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:53 pm  
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If fev Fax or Leigh are to get into SL we need to find a way to bring them up to that level not bring SL down to thiers


If only they could copy the model and exemplary way that Bradford Bulls have negotiated their way through this licence period they might start to climb the difficult ladder.
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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:43 am  
Quite an ammusing response from the Halifax chairman....

Even more reference of a RFL v Super League battle.

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/halifax-rlfc/halifax-rlfc-news/updated-steele-urges-rfl-to-convene-meeting-of-championship-clubs-1-6123625

Very well written statement by 1eagu3 who clearly feel that the proposed league changes are not welcome...

http://www.superleaguefans.com/rugby-league/2013/10/10/1eagu3-statement-regarding-postponed-league-restructuring-meeting.html

Surely the proposed 2 into 3 idea cannot get the go ahead!

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Quite an ammusing response from the Halifax chairman....

Even more reference of a RFL v Super League battle.

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/halifax-rlfc/halifax-rlfc-news/updated-steele-urges-rfl-to-convene-meeting-of-championship-clubs-1-6123625

Very well written statement by 1eagu3 who clearly feel that the proposed league changes are not welcome...

http://www.superleaguefans.com/rugby-league/2013/10/10/1eagu3-statement-regarding-postponed-league-restructuring-meeting.html

Surely the proposed 2 into 3 idea cannot get the go ahead!

:USTUPID:
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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:02 am  
daveyz999 wrote:
Quite an ammusing response from the Halifax chairman....

Even more reference of a RFL v Super League battle.

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/halifax-rlfc/halifax-rlfc-news/updated-steele-urges-rfl-to-convene-meeting-of-championship-clubs-1-6123625

Sadly, for the Courier's logic "the five or six clubs who are not as important as they think they are" are the same five or six who are currently attracting more money into rugby than the rest of the clubs. They may, or may not, be 'the best run' but they are the most financially sound as things stand.
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Quite an ammusing response from the Halifax chairman....

Even more reference of a RFL v Super League battle.

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/halifax-rlfc/halifax-rlfc-news/updated-steele-urges-rfl-to-convene-meeting-of-championship-clubs-1-6123625

Sadly, for the Courier's logic "the five or six clubs who are not as important as they think they are" are the same five or six who are currently attracting more money into rugby than the rest of the clubs. They may, or may not, be 'the best run' but they are the most financially sound as things stand.
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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:06 am  
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Sadly, for the Courier's logic "the five or six clubs who are not as important as they think they are" are the same five or six who are currently attracting more money into rugby than the rest of the clubs. They may, or may not, be 'the best run' but they are the most financially sound as things stand.


tbf, it's not the Courier, but the outspoken chairman of Halifax. He's obviously wanting some of the 'pie' and looking out for his club, but a small town club would struggle to compete in today's climate. Large clubs who are attracting 5-10 thousand supporters a game are struggling to compile a squad that can challenge for the top.

The more this argument rumbles, i'm finding that i'm not even in favour of promotion relegation. A closed SL would offer some stability imo.
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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:46 am  
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The 3 x 8 idea is a nonsense that comes about from looking at the issues the wrong way around. The focus should not be on bringing SL clubs down so Fev and Fax can compete with them but on how to build more full time clubs.

Right now there are issues with every team outwith the 8 who made the play offs. I think yourselves Widnes and Salford have the least to worry about. You would though be in greater peril if funding is cut. The 3 x 8 is a funding cut to full time clubs to fund part time clubs. That just seems wrong. A a professional sport we must support full time clubs and generate more income for the entire sport.

I would like to see a second french team in Super League, Catalans have been a success and I understand French TV would pay considerably more for a second team.

Other than that, though some people may not like it, SL should remain a closed league. It works for NFL & NRL and P&R did not work before. Ask yourself this, is there any club in England that is outwith SL that offers more to the greater game than Bradford Bulls? If there is not (as I believe) why would you introduce the very real chance of swapping them?

If fev Fax or Leigh are to get into SL we need to find a way to bring them up to that level not bring SL down to thiers. The only way to do that is generate more income.

The only real question in the short term is who to swap for more Frenchies? A club down south may be making that an easy answer.
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Actually, to be fair, SL has never been "a closed league". Promotion to it has been by licence rather than via the league, but it has always been on the agenda. What's more the idea of 'new' clubs being given a three year grace period has been one of its best attributes. To me 12 is about the minimum number of clubs; it gives 22 league games plus MW and cup games which should be financially survivable for clubs and give players some respite before internationals at the end of the season. A lot would depend on Sky, of course, if they would be happy with that number of games..

I'd love to see a Halifax team back in SL. As an area, the town should be large enough to sustain a professional club though, in the past, the club hasn't always had the support it deserved when in the higher division, which is disappointing.

I tend to think of Leigh's relationship with Wigan to be a bit like Keighley's with Bradford and find it hard to see them with enough support to carry a professional set up. They have a nice little ground now, and though I'm not sure about the capacity, it would certainly help.

As a regular visitor [annually, for the Bulls' visit] I would consider it a sad day if the London team were dropped, or had to resign for financial reasons, from SL. They've always come across as a good club to me, from fans through to back office and in any case their membership, in the capital, is probably more totemic than any other club, particularly in the media.

I certainly wouldn't be averse to another French club in SL. It would both spark up our league and help the treizistes to compete against union, which currently takes many players from French clubs which are, as yet, unable to offer them a proper job. Being able to retain their better young players would have the added benefit of helping the French national team, which hopefully could then provide more meaningful games for England to prepare for the Aussies and NZ. For the wider benefit of European RL it would be a good thing, imo.
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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:58 am  
Thinking outside the box, and beyond history and club self interest - OK i know it's never going to happen, but consider the following 12 club elite league:
Cumbria
West Yorks
Humberside
London
Les Basques
East lancs
Manachester
Cheshire
Glasgow
Dublin
South Wales
Les french duex
All franchises like those in American football - bigger catchments, national coverage, ability to fund quality squads - but leaving enough space in the calender to stage meaningful internationals. How would that look to a TV executive or potential sponsor? Guess its Utopia but if such a set up could bring cash into the wider game, with a guaranteed % to fund the traditional clubs and the grass roots game to develope players. i would put aside my tribal affiliation if it would secure and grow the game.
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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:03 am  
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tbf, it's not the Courier, but the outspoken chairman of Halifax. He's obviously wanting some of the 'pie' and looking out for his club, but a small town club would struggle to compete in today's climate. Large clubs who are attracting 5-10 thousand supporters a game are struggling to compile a squad that can challenge for the top.

The more this argument rumbles, i'm finding that i'm not even in favour of promotion relegation. A closed SL would offer some stability imo.


I've argued on another thread that 'around 5k attendances' should bring in enough to run a 'middling' full-time pro club, ie one that is going to finish around the lower play off places. To be honest, in order to challenge seriously for the top, it needs the sort of outside assistance which the current top clubs have. Maybe a regular 10k would push you somewhere near that position?

It would be interesting to find out how much Caddick have actually put into Leeds [if anything] as their gates suggest that, even with their obvious high spending on the team, they should be somewhere near break even on gates and sales alone.
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Re: 2015 and beyond.... : Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:10 am  
Every so often I think how good it would be for Fax to be back in the top division then some of their fans come on here and remind me what a bitter bunch some of them can be.
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