Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Sun May 25, 2014 9:12 am  

Beechwood Bull, if anything next sunday is going to test Wakey's nerves as we have a habit of cocking things up and kickstarting a team's season, especially under Agar.

Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Sun May 25, 2014 9:16 am  

Willzay wrote:

Beechwood Bull, if anything next sunday is going to test Wakey's nerves as we have a habit of cocking things up and kickstarting a team's season, especially under Agar.

I pray you are right. We need divine intervention for wherever it comes. Last chance saloon for us, particularly if we get little or no points back. Thanks for the comments though, you offer some hope!!

Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Sun May 25, 2014 1:26 pm  

TBH, points deduction or not, we would still be where we are in the league, and deservedly so too. We offer nothing to SL at the moment and the only thing that we are doing is giving a lot of people a damn good laugh at our demise.

Something is clearly not right. That can't be the best that those players are capable of surely?

Cummins should NOT be sacked, however. He should do the honourable thing and resign. Walk away from it, admitting he is not up to the task. If we sack him, then we need to pay him off and that money would be better off spent elsewhere.

Let's hope he has the decency to do the right thing.

Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Sun May 25, 2014 2:23 pm  

Our runners in attack are too static. They don't run hard enough and don't draw defenders, leaving us with no overlap in those situations. We also have no direction when going forward. Without Diskin, it falls on Gale to control the attack, and he's not up to it. We've scored 20 points in the last 3 games.

As for the defence, I can't remember a season where we've shipped so many points. 150 points conceded in the last 3 games is just appalling. We don't run up to the offensive line and teams make 10 metres every play the ball with minimal effort. And then, when the opposition get bored, a simple offload is all it takes to put their full back through. Support runners aren't required, as Gaskell is stupidly easy to step past. Oldfield, Broughton and Escsare have all skinned him with a simple step.

Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Sun May 25, 2014 2:29 pm  

mystic eddie wrote:

TBH, points deduction or not, we would still be where we are in the league, and deservedly so too. We offer nothing to SL at the moment and the only thing that we are doing is giving a lot of people a damn good laugh at our demise.

Something is clearly not right. That can't be the best that those players are capable of surely?

Cummins should NOT be sacked, however. He should do the honourable thing and resign. Walk away from it, admitting he is not up to the task. If we sack him, then we need to pay him off and that money would be better off spent elsewhere.

Let's hope he has the decency to do the right thing.

Agent cummins would never resign. He played in a leeds team tormented by the bulls for years.

He'll be hanging on to the bitter end.

Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Sun May 25, 2014 3:26 pm  

I agree with all previous comments the team performance was embarrassing, the players looked yesterday to have resigned themselves to the club being in the championship next season.
We had our props and Donaldson back (apart from Fakir) and whilst the pack did their job I thought O'Brien and Olbison's tackling was weak.
Catalans obviously decided that they could walk through our threequarters which they did regularly with pathetic attempts from us to chase down and catch their runners.
We had our usual start allowing three very soft tries in the first twelve minutes which included the try from Foster and Gaskell allowing the ball to bounce but which, as stated on Sky, should still have been stopped if Foster could tackle.
Gale was I think still suffering from the hamstring injury which kept him out of the game against Saints so Addy did most of the kicking work.
Not looking good for the Wakefield game next week.

Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Sun May 25, 2014 3:57 pm  

snowie wrote:

are you sure I was going to watch the recording later tonight

Well there is plenty of tries to enjoy, unless you've seen enough at Wakefield this aft?

Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Sun May 25, 2014 5:28 pm  

BullCharge wrote:

Our runners in attack are too static. They don't run hard enough and don't draw defenders, leaving us with no overlap in those situations.

Correct. This because they are LAZY. All other teams work at having enough dummy runners, or extra people joining the line, or people making run after run so the passer has options. We don't.

BullCharge wrote:

We also have no direction when going forward. Without Diskin, it falls on Gale to control the attack, and he's not up to it.

Partially correct, Gale only shows flashes and it is miles from good enough, but part of the problem is the almost inevitable lack of options that his "team-mates" give him, due to laziness, so the defence just KNOWS that he is going to kick, or else has no options to cover when he is going to pass.

BullCharge wrote:

As for the defence, I can't remember a season where we've shipped so many points. 150 points conceded in the last 3 games is just appalling. We don't run up to the offensive line and teams make 10 metres every play the ball with minimal effort.

Correct. This, as anyone watching the video can see, is because too many players are LAZY too much of the time. They can not argue against this. Every other team works hard at shuttling back and forward, most of the time most other teams come out as a line and close down the attack. We don't. Too often, we are stood on our heels and let them charge at us; too often, we just laze idly round whilst attackers run circles around us. Too often, players make no effort to get properly set in a defensive position. Too often, the tackle attempts are lamentable. Too often, not enough players get involved and so too often offloads come out ages after the initial contact.

BullCharge wrote:

And then, when the opposition get bored, a simple offload is all it takes to put their full back through. Support runners aren't required, as Gaskell is stupidly easy to step past. Oldfield, Broughton and Escsare have all skinned him with a simple step.

Actually we have performed better a few ties with Gaskell at FB but even Mumby could do little when exposed against a livewire like Escare. I don't blame Gaskell, Cummins knows what he can and can't do, and how fast he can or can't run, and if he is played at FB you can't expect him to magic up extra pace that he doesn't have. He did look like a man carrying a hamstring, to me, though, he looked really sluggish at times.

Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Sun May 25, 2014 10:31 pm  

Bully_Boxer wrote:

Well there is plenty of tries to enjoy, unless you've seen enough at Wakefield this aft?

I don't mind seeing a few more

Re: Absolutely Pathetic : Mon May 26, 2014 10:13 am  

I don't buy the players are lazy. For me it's partly we have a number of relatively poor players, and partly due to them being incredibly brittle psychologically.

The response to Cats first try was that of a group of people who wanted to go home. With few exceptions, Naz and Kaufusi we KNEW we were going to get hammered and of course we did.

They've spent weeks playing with no props and you simply stop making dummy runs because you're using up all your energy tackling in the middle. Lulia and Blythe were our best edge defenders last year and they're injured or not really replaced.

A bunch of generally below average players plus the circumstances they've endured equals what we saw on Saturday. I don't see Cummins getting a great deal of support. Signing 19 year olds just in the country is pointless. Neither do I see a group of guys who believe in Cummins anymore irrespective of whether any of it is his fault.

The ball's in Green's court. Either back Cummins with some players (which he hasn't done) or sack him. What we're witnessing now is inevitable relegation.