Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:01 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Bradford may very well have the largest figure in next seasons championship but thats still going to be thousands less than their SL attendance. If Bradford can get 3k averages they will be more than a third more than other championship sides. They will be a good 7k less than last year, and about 9k less than 2012 when they went bust.

The parachute payment is still less than SL TV money.

The SL2 playoffs will get championship huge exposure, not SL huge exposure. Bradford arent pulling in 5 figures for those games lets be honest.

The championship isnt 'a breather' i honestly dont know where this myth came from other than the coincidence of Huddersfield getting relegated and Ken Davy deciding to pump in millions. For Bradford the championship will see huge drops in income from Tv, fans, merchandise and sponsorship, with their biggest expenditure in Odsal staying the same, and their 2nd biggest in playing squad needing to be increased from right now if they are to be better than the worst SL side.

Of course everything is going to be scaled down, salary cap and income is going to reduce.

But of all the teams left in the championship next season the Bulls will be best placed to make a swift return.

As for marketing, that's down to your marketing team. But a winning team , which is likely to get quite a lot of tv exposure has to be easier to market than the dross that us currently being served up?

I guess the biggest hurdle is your cost for running Odsal, but the RFL can't let you play elsewhere, so I'm sure they will adjust their costs , if need be, if some clever negotiations took place.

Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:15 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

We obviously won't play from Odsal in the Championship, it isn't to me even a possibility.

I agree with those who point out that it isn't like a 1 year penance till we rejoin our rightful place, it is much more akin to starting a whole new ball game in completely different circumstances.

And in some cases you could say that if a relegated club managed to keep the bulk of its side together in some way, then it would easily win the Championship. Generally that may be true but to me it certainly isn't true of the bunch who are pulling on the shirt and stealing a wage at the moment, which isn't all of them, but a significant number.

I would frankly prefer to see the lot of the non-trier wage-stealers who have got Cummins sacked through not giving a toss, right out the door. "Playing" like these have, they'd be nearer the bottom of the Championship than top of it.

if bradford dont play at Odsal, then where? is it any cheaper to go to VP which is still far too big?

And if Bradford do leave Odsal, then surely that isnt going to just sit empty?

Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:17 am  

spanishbob wrote:

Of course everything is going to be scaled down, salary cap and income is going to reduce.

But of all the teams left in the championship next season the Bulls will be best placed to make a swift return.

As for marketing, that's down to your marketing team. But a winning team , which is likely to get quite a lot of tv exposure has to be easier to market than the dross that us currently being served up?

I guess the biggest hurdle is your cost for running Odsal, but the RFL can't let you play elsewhere, so I'm sure they will adjust their costs , if need be, if some clever negotiations took place.

no team gets more as a winning championship side as they do a losing SL side. No team has averaged more in their promotion season than their relegation season.

There will be between 10 and 20 championship games on tv and they are largely to be the promotion group ones. This isnt going to be quite a lot of tv exposure. It will be far far far less than SL.

Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:31 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

if bradford dont play at Odsal, then where? is it any cheaper to go to VP which is still far too big?

And if Bradford do leave Odsal, then surely that isnt going to just sit empty?

I don't see it sitting "empty", quite the reverse. Odsal would be worth in the hundreds of millions if developed and I'm sure that if you do the maths, us negotiating some deal to play anywhere else could make a lot of sense if all the parties agreed to forget about Odsal as a sports ground and cash in their chips.

Anyway everybody knows that it's not financially feasible for us to play from Odsal in the Championship yet still somehow think we might. Who's gonna pay then? These hopes to me are a bit like the irrational hopes of people who say mathematically we are not yet down. Yeah, right, whatever.

Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:31 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

no team gets more as a winning championship side as they do a losing SL side. No team has averaged more in their promotion season than their relegation season.

There will be between 10 and 20 championship games on tv and they are largely to be the promotion group ones. This isnt going to be quite a lot of tv exposure. It will be far far far less than SL.

I apologise for trying to be positive, probably comes out if 25 years supporting Halifax.

The truth of the matter is that your BOD will work to achieve what is best for the bulls for next season and like it or not if you are in the championship you WILL be favourites to both top the league and compete for a 2016 Superleague place

[Bullseye]

Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:36 am  

Alas I'm leaning more toward Smokey's argument on this one. Unless we can gain rapid promotion to SL from the championship I can see the club withering away.

I said during administration that it was a "Koukash or bust" situation since you need the backing of a millionaire with money to fritter away to survive in SL (unless you happen to be in Leeds). Green isn't that man.

I think we could survive at a push but we'd be at the lower end of SL and not ever seriously challenging for honours.

That's if we can get a good new deal to play at Odsal. If not then all bets are off. That big old place a is a millstone but we've precious few options in the city. VP might work but would need to be cheaper and as equal partners with City. I can't see that happening.

Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:44 am  

I'm optimistic - I think SpanishBob may have made a couple of valid points.

I'm encouraged to think that our income from the RFL with the parachute payment and TV money will mean we actually receive more cash compared to the last 2 seasons.

If we can somehow manage to build a competitive side that is capable of winning more games than it loses, we should see the fans coming back to watch a decent game.

Problem is, the squad needs building now otherwise all the decent championship quality players will already be signed up.

A coach with a high profile in the game might help us encourage some of the 'quality' players to sign for the Bulls rather than another top 4 championship side. The main thing is, we need to start planning now.

Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:52 am  

daveyz999 wrote:

A coach with a high profile in the game might help us encourage some of the 'quality' players to sign for the Bulls rather than another top 4 championship side. The main thing is, we need to start planning now.

Completely agree.

Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:58 am  

Bullseye wrote:

That's if we can get a good new deal to play at Odsal. If not then all bets are off. That big old place a is a millstone but we've precious few options in the city. VP might work but would need to be cheaper and as equal partners with City. I can't see that happening.

It will be interesting to see where the team runs out next year if not Odsal.

VP - too big for Championship crowds, and probably more expensive to hire at least.

Horsfall - too small and too easy to look over the fence

Wagon Lane - too small

Ground share with the Cougars anyone

[Bullseye]

Re: Can the bulls survive outside of super league? : Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:39 pm  

Northernrelic wrote:

It will be interesting to see where the team runs out next year if not Odsal.

VP - too big for Championship crowds, and probably more expensive to hire at least.

Horsfall - too small and too easy to look over the fence

Wagon Lane - too small

Ground share with the Cougars anyone

I think we'll be at Odsal but just using the main stand for many of our games. I'm not sure that's sustainable long term - I just hope we get promoted 1st time of asking!

Cougar Park won't be getting a visit from me. It may be a shortish walk for me but I won't be able to see the action on the pitch for all the chips on shoulders blocking my view.