Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:17 pm  

I haven't seen much of your boys this season, so I wont comment on anything Bradford. From a Salford point of view, we're pretty strong at the moment having pretty much a full strength squad to choose from for the first time in the entire season. Importantly, since Sheens came in to help out Watson and Gleeson and Harris disappeared, the team's belief and comradery returned. We were inconsistent for most of the season, not helped by injuries and lengthy suspensions to key players. Our destruction of Leigh was primarily down to dominating their pack, tiring them out, and exploiting weak defensive structure, especially out wide. Chase masterminded pretty much everything, with Dobson performing the right hand man work very well. How you handle Chase will be key to how well you perform. Leigh and Wakefield had no answer on that score. I don't think Salford will take you guys lightly for the reason that our last two fixtures are away to SL opposition, and it would be nice for us to have a buffer rather than rely on getting results away to SL opposition.

it's still one game though, and any game is winnable on the day. Could be interesting.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:52 pm  

Looking back at the match I am sure our forwards will see that they were beaten by a more convincing pack. They should be angry with themselves that they were shown up as much less than their opponents. We have seen SL sides starting incredibly quick this season and got results from it. The pack are going to have to be like enforcers, get respected and force them to doubt.

Defensively we have to be quicker and switched on for the full eighty. It comes down to each player getting fired up and believing in themselves as quality athletes. This is not a poor team just a team that has to step up mentally.

Chase is terrific give him too much space and it will difficult. Clearly I am one of the outsiders who prefer Seika and Henry....

[Bullseye]

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:51 pm  

We'll play better but still get well beaten. I think our pack is lacking power. We're two decent props and two decent backrowers short of SL standard.

While Sidlow and Clough are ok neither Crossley or Lauaki are fit enough or mobile enough. Ferguson is good enough in the backrow. Pitts is ok and tackles like a demon but is a bit lighweight. Olbison has improved a lot but looked outgunned versus Wakefield - too small.

Addy for me is not SL quality. He's too small and doesn't hit hard enough in defence for backrow. He has good core skills but isn't quick enough for halfback. He would've been a decent loose forward in the 1970s or 80s.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:55 pm  

Sidlows been poor most of the year in my view. Lots of minutes, little impact. Cough was awful on Saturday but has been our best prop.

I don't understand the signing of Crossley at all.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:58 pm  

Nothus wrote:

Leigh have lost their opening two games but they have hardly laid down and died, or 'peaked too soon'. They should have beaten Rovers were it not for some dumb plays in their own 20 and some dumb props conceding back to back penalties.
Then against Salford they had at least 3 tries disallowed that could very well have been awarded had a video ref been available. The final scoreline at Salford flattered the home side somewhat imo.

Rowley will get his side fired up on Saturday and they will have a good go. I think a lot swings on what Wakefield side turns up - if they can keep their completion rate and error count at the same levels they were against us then it may well be too much for Leigh again, but a few quick Leigh scores could put the cat well and truly amongst the pigeons.

I am really torn as to who I want to win that game on Saturday. Obviously for our own personal chances of promotion, we need Wakey to win. But part of me would also like to see a championship side gain promotion this year at Wakefield's expense, and if it's not us then I'd like Leigh to get a shot in SL.

Great post that Nothus.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:59 pm  

Realistically I can't see how we can win this match. I certainly hope we don't throw a patched up Gaskell into this match if he isn't 100%.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:59 am  

Bullseye wrote:

We'll play better but still get well beaten. I think our pack is lacking power. We're two decent props and two decent backrowers short of SL standard.

While Sidlow and Clough are ok neither Crossley or Lauaki are fit enough or mobile enough. Ferguson is good enough in the backrow. Pitts is ok and tackles like a demon but is a bit lighweight. Olbison has improved a lot but looked outgunned versus Wakefield - too small.

Addy for me is not SL quality. He's too small and doesn't hit hard enough in defence for backrow. He has good core skills but isn't quick enough for halfback. He would've been a decent loose forward in the 1970s or 80s.

I think we're OK in the back row. Agreed we're two big aggressive props short. I know Lowes has taken a big of a bagging recently, but another mistake he made throughout the season was not rotating. Not just to keep players fresh, but to give others game time so there is competition. Now we're in a situation where our pack got dominated, and we only have one prop we can bring in. So the players know they're unlikely to be dropped. There won't be any pressure on them from fringe players during training etc. It's a ridiculous situation to be in.

For me recruitment for next year is two HB's and two big aggressive props. Wholesale changes never work.

I'd also like to see Walshaw and Mellor brought in for Sunday. Plenty of size there.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:18 pm  

I think a lot of the issue with the Wakey game was something that's been evident all year. Our pre-match prep is just not up to scratch. Lowes seems capable enough of getting the team fired up for the 2nd half, but we keep going out in the first half half-cocked. Now against the teams we've faced all year, it's not been an issue as we've been able, in most cases, to do enough work combined with superior fitness levels to grind out the opposition and get the win.
That sort of thinking isn't gonna fly against SL teams. You give them space and time and they'll bend you like Einstien. Even the poorest team in SL this year were able to out muscle and out perform us and by the time Lowes has managed to kick some backsides they were too far out of reach. If we don't go up this year, then I really think Lowes needs to be shown the door as I'm not sure he's got the needed skills to win promotion through the current system.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:49 pm  

Lowes is a rookie coach though and we don't know if he will learn from what has happened this season or if so, how much. If he recognises how things could have been significantly better and is capable of correcting those things then he COULD be a much better coach next season. We simply can't say.

What I can say is that a coach rarely stands still. A clever coach would learn the season's lessons, digest and make the necessary changes. And do better. A poor coach will either not make the right changes, or fail to see the problems in the first place, but in that situation the 2016 team would be worse.

Re: Super 8 Qualifiers Game 3: Salford at Home : Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:03 pm  

We still need to pay Franny off.
I can't see how we would also pay Jimmy off.
If I was Jimmy I would expect my contract to be honoured. Jimmy didn't appoint himself it was the club that asked him so they should give him the two years he signed.
It may not all be down to Jimmy. Ferres will also need to lift his game a notch or two. No more fillers that we don't play and send out to other clubs. Drop the numbers to around 26. Bring in one top SH. I would keep Seijka as back-up and see what he can do when fully fit. How can we lose Crossley when he has another season?
Look at the two props Leeds recently brought in. That is what we need but how could we persuade two to come to us unless we offer quite a few ££££££s.
The signings and released players in the coming months will determine how much chance we have next year in the CH or in SL.