Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:44 am  

Sensei-Bull wrote:

We won't win the cup but i'm surprised that nobody appears to thinks that it would be of benefit to progress and draw a Super League team?

Because it really won't have any sort of baring on the end of season performance.

Don't believe me? Look at Leigh last year and their cup run. Didn't do them any good and in fact you could argue that it hurt them in the long run. Wins against heavily depleted or badly demoralised teams seems to have added to the arrogant belief that Leigh were going to get promoted at a stroll where as, all it really added was additional games to an already long, hard season and a probable desire from SL teams to bring Leigh back down to earth.

I will not be too dispondent if Bradford go out of the cup early as it's an unnecessary distraction

Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:02 am  

I have no interest in how Leigh performed last year. It has no bearing on how Bradford did or how they will do this year. I thought that our cup tie against Hull KR served as good preparation for the middle 8's. Some may see it as a distraction while other's may think that it could be a welcome challenge in what could be another "23 game pre-season". I don't think that a decent cup run will hurt the Bulls but I also don't think that an early exit would be an issue either.

Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:46 am  

roofaldo2 wrote:

Because it really won't have any sort of baring on the end of season performance.

Don't believe me? Look at Leigh last year and their cup run. Didn't do them any good and in fact you could argue that it hurt them in the long run. Wins against heavily depleted or badly demoralised teams seems to have added to the arrogant belief that Leigh were going to get promoted at a stroll where as, all it really added was additional games to an already long, hard season and a probable desire from SL teams to bring Leigh back down to earth.

I will not be too dispondent if Bradford go out of the cup early as it's an unnecessary distraction

You fail to add the backlog of fixtures also created.We ended up playing six games in three weeks prior to the 8's.

Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:49 am  

Part of the problem Leigh had was that due to making the 1/4 finals we ended up with a back log of fixtures. Think we ended up having to play matches Sunday-Wednesday-Sunday-Wednesday-Sunday just before we went into the Middle 8's.

Unsurprisingly after that we had a lot of players who were either injured, walking wounded or just plain tired going into the 8's and that was reflected in our awful performances.

Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:13 am  

Sensei-Bull wrote:

We won't win the cup but i'm surprised that nobody appears to thinks that it would be of benefit to progress and draw a Super League team?

I said this a while ago in a different thread. A couple of easy fixtures and then Leeds away please. Get some cash in.

Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:42 am  

Nothus wrote:

I said this a while ago in a different thread. A couple of easy fixtures and then Leeds away please. Get some cash in.

The downside to that though is that if we progress to Round 6 where Leeds enter, we would have to play the Oldham game midweek some time, as I believe Rounds 5 and 6 of the cup are the only "free" weekends. So although it might bring a bit of money in (but still not loads, as it's still the cup and not usually well attended), it will potentially have an impact on the league. I personally would much rather be able to play Oldham on that free weekend than have a fixture against Leeds this year.

If we managed promotion, we'd have 2 or 3 fixtures against Leeds next year and a much better impact on finances than a one off cup game.

Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:21 pm  

Nothus wrote:

I said this a while ago in a different thread. A couple of easy fixtures and then Leeds away please. Get some cash in.

Trouble with most CC fixtures is they COST you money.

I suspect if we did somehow draw Leeds then we'd happen make a few bob on that one, though still wouldn't expect anything near a 10k crowd, anything else will be a miserable crowd and a likely loss or break even

Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:29 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Trouble with most CC fixtures is they COST you money.

I suspect if we did somehow draw Leeds then we'd happen make a few bob on that one, though still wouldn't expect anything near a 10k crowd, anything else will be a miserable crowd and a likely loss or break even

Do they though? I thought the gates were split in such a way that costs were covered as a priority.

I think the club rearranged the Oldham game for the round 6 weekend because that is the last free weekend of the year. If we end up making it that far then we'll just have to play it midweek. No disrespect to Oldham but we have a big enough squad to be able to handle that I think.

Watch us go and lose tonight anyway

Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:34 pm  

Nothus wrote:

I think the club rearranged the Oldham game for the round 6 weekend because that is the last free weekend of the year. If we end up making it that far then we'll just have to play it midweek. No disrespect to Oldham but we have a big enough squad to be able to handle that I think.

It's not just the Oldham game that gets affected by playing it midweek though. Yes, you may be able to rest a few for them, but you're still gonna use a lot of the same players as if you put a full "reserve" team out, you're gonna lose. And then you have whichever game follows that as a 3/4 day turnaround aswell.

A midweek game really affects 2 matches, arguably 3.

Re: Dewsbury (CC) : Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:48 pm  

Nothus wrote:

Do they though? I thought the gates were split in such a way that costs were covered as a priority.

I think the club rearranged the Oldham game for the round 6 weekend because that is the last free weekend of the year. If we end up making it that far then we'll just have to play it midweek. No disrespect to Oldham but we have a big enough squad to be able to handle that I think.

Watch us go and lose tonight anyway

It used to be case that gate was split between clubs AFTER hosting club had taken its costs for putting game on out of pot. Hence a lot of suspiciously low cup attendances being announced in the past.

This was changed a few years ago and gate is now split on a percentage basis. 15% (plus £1k for championship clubs) to host club for costs of putting game on, 5% to RFL for Challenge cup prize pot for eventual winners, then remainder split between participating clubs.