[Bullseye]

Re: Administrators Report : Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:47 am  

More really to do with the Council no longer willing to pay for the upkeep of Odsal from 2003.

Accounts took a nosedive after then. Subsequent mistakes over Harris, keeping McNamara so long etc compounded matters.

Re: Administrators Report : Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:23 pm  

There's definitely 2 types of screwups for Bulls over the last 20years.
There are missed opportunities - Tesco backed OSV plan for example, not focusing on academy early or intensely enough
And there are (what I will call) stupidities, decisions deliberately made by the board which were plain wrong. Harrisgate. The Odsal settlement, £60 season tickets, recruitment.

Re: Administrators Report : Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:26 pm  

The way the league structures are set up now the only way out of the championship is to spend big and BUY your way out. If you haven't got a sugar daddy bank rolling you are not going anywhere. At the end of the season you have to have a team that has been playing part timers all year turn up and produce the goods on 7 or 8 occasions against professional clubs who have been playing higher quality opposition all year. The new structure now encourages the championship clubs who have superleague aspirations to roll the dice. Mark Green rolled the dice for 2 years and lost. Management has been poor and the squad massively underperformed last year. The match at Fev was a disgrace and the players on that pitch should have been ashamed of themselves.

Re: Administrators Report : Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:54 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I'm no massive Green fan but really, what did you want him to do, sack half the players mid-season, go part-time and settle for lower-half mediocrity so we broke even? Would everyone have been happy with that? Green may not be a financial genius but this money all went on chasing the dream, and was a huge gamble, which should have paid off at least to the tune of the main playoffs, but the team let him down. He also said plainly from the beginning that he was in no position to pump money into the club, yet clearly couldn't help himself and one way or another has done.

None of this excuses the fact players were being signed after the defeat to Fev, some from overseas. Season tickets were sold and Green publically said the club would remain full time after the Fev defeat. Surely he knew the impact this would have. I did as I called it at the time like you did that there now was a massive black hole in the finances and trouble was ahead, the thing is the club just carried on regardless spending more money it didn't have and that lies with the man at the top. Ferres and RHP saw the iceberg and took to the lifeboats.

Re: Administrators Report : Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:23 pm  

Isn't this what franchises sort to avoid?

Re: Administrators Report : Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:56 pm  

Are we not getting a copy of the Administrator's Report, then?

Re: Administrators Report : Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:18 am  

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Highlander wrote:

There's definitely 2 types of screwups for Bulls over the last 20years.
There are missed opportunities - Tesco backed OSV plan for example, not focusing on academy early or intensely enough
And there are (what I will call) stupidities, decisions deliberately made by the board which were a plain wrong. Harrisgate. The Odsal settlement, £60 season tickets, recruitment.

What kind of screwup is thinking you can get away without paying VAT on season tickets?

Re: Administrators Report : Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:37 am  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

[*]What kind of screwup is thinking you can get away without paying VAT on season tickets?

I think it's down to selling them as memberships i'm sure thats what the argument was, I dont think you pay VAT or pay smaller amounts on sold memberships. Bit daft really when its plainly clear they were season tickets

Re: Administrators Report : Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:49 am  

Haven't we done this in years gone by when your ticket/pass got you discount at various places. In that time you could have said it was a membership as it gave you other benefits. However with the later version I think the only benefit was that it got you into matches and that is why HMRC classed it as a season ticket and not a membership.

[Bulliac]

Re: Administrators Report : Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:50 am  

thepimp007 wrote:

I think it's down to selling them as memberships i'm sure thats what the argument was, I dont think you pay VAT or pay smaller amounts on sold memberships. Bit daft really when its plainly clear they were season tickets

On the face of it I'd agree but the law is a very strange beast sometimes.

To be fair, the idea that Green thought he didn't need to pay VAT because they were 'memberships' is what I understood the problem to be. When you think about it, having a club and allowing 'members' free entry and use of facilities isn't that much different from the concept of season tickets and I can certainly see how the law relating to those entities might overlap in places.

Whether he just, 'didn't set it up correctly', or was 'bang out of order', might often need to be settled some arcane legal processes, I suppose. ...and what mood the judge is in!