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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:36 pm  
Pumpetypump wrote:
No he answered your frankly BIZARRE question. Your response to THAT makes you look suprisingly like a troll considering your huge post count.


He was the one getting aggressive.

I don't blame Carvell at all in this, especially if he has not been paid.
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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:42 pm  
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He was the one getting aggressive.

I don't blame Carvell at all in this, especially if he has not been paid.


He has been paid.
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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:45 pm  
Bull Northern I meant earlier when the squad were asked to take a 10% cut as a group which they declined. I agree with the above poster.

We're fans of the team. Carvell is not. He is a professional who has a family to raise: that comes first and foremost. After been lead on once by us he probably doesn't want to risk the chance of the club going under again and not been able to provide for his family. We need to rebuild our reputation. At the moment players don't trust us to sign fr us without getting in the financial poop.

I would bare no grudge If he left.
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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:48 pm  
debaser wrote:
He has been paid.

So he has signed for Hull then!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:52 pm  
If perchance he has not been paid, it will only be the January payroll, due IIRC last Wednesday. At a rough guess, given administrators were about to be appointed, it is quite possible none of the players were paid by OKB. I suspect that the directors could have been legally precluded from paying anyone at that time. If that was the case, then I would assume all players who did not object to the TUPE when the situation was put to them (I suspect was just before the appointment) will have been paid by BB2014 ASAP after the prepack transfer. If this was not the case, surely by now we would have heard of it?

Of course, if a player elected NOT to be TUPEd across at the time, then he would not become an employee of BB2014, and so would need to look to the administrator of OKB, and the Insolvency Fund, for his January salary.

Just speculating, as I have not details at all of what actually hgappened. And if anyone can improve on that with better information please do so. But it might just be an explanation for why he has allegedly been saying he has not been paid? And, if so, he will have brought it on himself by electing not to be TUPEd? And a lesson to anyone jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information?
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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:14 pm  
Bull Mania wrote:
Bull Northern I meant earlier when the squad were asked to take a 10% cut as a group which they declined. I agree with the above poster.

We're fans of the team. Carvell is not. He is a professional who has a family to raise: that comes first and foremost. After been lead on once by us he probably doesn't want to risk the chance of the club going under again and not been able to provide for his family. We need to rebuild our reputation. At the moment players don't trust us to sign fr us without getting in the financial poop.

I would bare no grudge If he left.


I too would bear no grudge and I agree a professional player has to look after his family.All the rumours ,gossip and character assaninations must unsettle any player.
I did think you were alleging that a 10% pay cut was being proposed or implemented. On another thread someone asserted that a 20% cut was a fact and I wrongly assumed you were posting in the same vein. So I apologise.
However just 2 points to bear in mind:
1. I recall that it was not the club who raised the possibility of a pay cut some months ago but some staff understandably trying to save their jobs.
2. Regarding the inability to attract players, it's certainly probably true "at the moment" but our off season recruitment showed that our coach was able to recruit decent players.

My hope is that Mark Moore and the rest of the Board have been able to allay some of the doubts at the meeting with players which was mentioned earlier this week.
Finally it's a week since TUPE came into effect. Only the club and the individual players know who has refused to transfer across to the new company. I doubt that any refusal made after this weekend would be accepted as valid.
So after this weekend it should be clear whether the current squad(minus Carvell) is intact
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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:26 pm  
Just so you know, when a company is re-employing more than 20 employees via TUPE, the employees are entitled to up to 90 days consultation period :thumb:
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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:58 pm  
Just so you know, you are wrong.
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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:58 pm  
financialtimes wrote:
Just so you know, when a company is re-employing more than 20 employees via TUPE, the employees are entitled to up to 90 days consultation period :thumb:


TUPE alison protects the rights of employees NOT wishing to be contracted to a new owner.

This is to prevent "economic slavery", i.e. the retention of workers by preventing them earning livings elsewhere.
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Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:00 pm  
I don't know who Alison is.
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