Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:06 pm  

roger daly wrote:

In previous seasons where points have been deducted there has been no relegation so the worst that could happen is you miss out on the top eight.

Excuse me but this is all tosh. As just one example, Cougars were deducted 9 points for going into administration, found it a bit much too overcome and got relegated to championship 1.

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:11 pm  

So don't you think that there should be a set rule - not this one rule for one and one rule for others as it appears. Different clubs get different rulings.

Re: Marc Green statement : Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:15 pm  

Rarebreed wrote:

Blake Solly was asked re how many overseas players were on the quota for SL2 and he stated five.

Yeah, I'm aware of this now. I actually posted the comment you quoted before Blake did the interview - so I was just going on the current championship quota.
Despite the quota being raised, I'm still expecting most - if not all - of our overseas players to leave if/when we're relegated.

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:04 am  

to be fare i think we are doomed to relegation weather we get the points back or not , i just hope the chairman is not throwing good money after bad that could go to better the club.

[Bulliac]

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:52 am  

Beanherebefore wrote:

to be fare i think we are doomed to relegation weather we get the points back or not , i just hope the chairman is not throwing good money after bad that could go to better the club.

Guess that most on here would say yes to all that. We've all read or heard bits and have opinions on everything, but it's the club/Marc Green who has had the legal advice so it's in his hands. We'll just have to hope for the best.

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:32 am  

It may be that its not the points that are the issue?

It may be that the RFL have far more to hide than we know about and its their shortcomings that may come out in the wash.

Bear in mind - Nigel Wood only got the top job by waiting for a better man to move on - there was no interview process - he simply took control.

Bear in mind - when you are a useless oaf, the best way to ensure you look good is to employ more useless oafs below you. That way - you look even better when you come back from another job you managed to slide into.

I hope this appeal is about how the RFL behave and the rift between the RFL and SL clubs - and I am assuming most of the owners/chairmen are unhappy with how the game is being run.

Of course, I may be miles off the marc, but we won't know until the case is heard.

I have accepted we are relegated and have no expectations regards points being given back - or that those points will make any difference.

On a negative note - we have been here before I seem to remember CC was very confident about heading to court over .... can't speak

This time, I hope the risk assessment has been comprehensive and thorough.

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:45 am  

Will we ever get back to just talking about the game of rugby with this club? All the shenanigans (right back to Harrisgate) are very tiresome and it's beginning to make following the Bulls a real toil.

I think the fans have accepted that we're going down and are keen to see us regroup quickly and fight back where it matters - on the field. This points thing is a major distraction.

Quit it Mr Green and focus your attention on the team. Lay all this shíte to rest.

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:22 am  

People seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the High Court can overturn the sporting sanction of deducting 6 points. They can not do that, they have no jurisdiction to do that - they are only able to rule on points of law.

As I understand it, this action is to try and win the right to have the appeal against the points deduction heard. The independent panel didn't even consider the Bulls' appeal as they found that it had no merit and didn't meet the threshold of evidence and failed to offer any substantive grounds for an appeal. It wasn't so much that they rejected the appeal, more that they refused to even consider it in the first place. This is what Green wants, the right to have the appeal heard and considered.

Any court action is not an appeal against the points deduction in itself, it is an attempt to force the panel to consider the appeal.

[Bulliac]

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:45 am  

Governing bodies still have to act within the law, though.

The other problem is the one about the law being an ass, which means you can't be certain what any particular judge [or jury] is going to find on any given day. It may be objective in its terms but it is very subjective in the way it is applied. Take the Harris case, in which our well respected, legally astute, experienced contract law specialist chairman's firm apparently got it so, so wrong.

Now, I'm no legal expert, but it may be that most others in his position would have thought exactly the same as him [I find it pretty much impossible to believe he just buggered on without consulting others]and it may well have been a perverse way for the judge to look at it, but his early judgement caused us to fold, despite the club being sure we were in the right. Let's hope history isn't going to repeat itself.

Re: Marc Green statement / Appeal : Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:54 am  

Bulliac wrote:

Governing bodies still have to act within the law, though.

Yes they do, but when you become a member club of the RFL you sign a contract of membership which binds you to abide by the articles and operational rules of the organisation. Remember, the RFL is not an autonomous organisation, it is a collective of member clubs.

So, having agreed to abide by those conditions of membership (which include the acceptance of the decisions made by any panel, tribunal or committee) and if the documented processes have been followed, then unless the conditions of membership are unlawful then how could a court overturn them ?

Also, who exactly are the club taking action against ? The RFL or the independent panel ? It was not the RFL who refused to even consider the club's appeal.